I ignored it because I’m not American and I had no idea what you were referencing, sorry. I got my own qualms with American terminologies but that’s a different discussion
So, you couldn’t be bothered to take 30 seconds to search for something I mentioned, but I am supposed to fall in line and accept all your definitions and points of view?
First, now you’re trying to move the goal posts. If you didn’t know who LaGuardia was you should have mentioned it right away.
Second, let’s jump to your latest comment and start from there.
If LaGuardia is irrelevant to the current situation, why is Marx relevant? He’s been dead longer than Fiorello.
You’re the one demanding we use antique terms, and chastising me for trying to update them.
Finally, everything you’ve posted has proved my first point, that there are people on the Left who will argue and argue instead of trying to build consensus
And so, okay, instead of discussing like this, or rather arguing, I want us to take a step back and ask, “what is it that we’re actually trying to achieve here?”
Is the goal to “win” the argument? Is the goal to look at a different perspective? This isn’t a debate club, there is nothing to gain here, except our personal knowledge or understanding of something
And so, on that note, you said how this is exactly how leftists shoot themselves in the foot with arguments like this, but like, who is trying to argue here? And for whom? As far as I can tell, you are the one trying to win some argument, I’m just trying to have a discussion about terms in a, presumably, left-leaning environment where we’re all already roughly on the same page. From an external point of view, what people see is you mostly going off on others
When you say I’m chastising you, that’s literally your imagination, it’s not what I’m trying to do at all. So please don’t put words in my mouth, okay?
The point others were trying to make, is that it’s useful to talk about the working vs the owning class. And I further tried to get across that it’s useful to have this sort of knowledge, and that using terms loosely isn’t helpful for one’s understanding of a topic. This is something that I speak from personal experience. It’s basically just an argument for political literacy
But if I didn’t get that across properly, then I apologize. I could have spent a bit more time explaining myself
As far as I can see, absolutely nothing. You didn’t change my mind, and pretty much conceded that I was right since the beginning when I said there was no point in arguing minor issues like my use of the term ‘middle class.’
And you’ve shown that you’d rather swallow rocks then study up on a Socialist who won a lot of elections by building a powerful coalition.
I ignored it because I’m not American and I had no idea what you were referencing, sorry. I got my own qualms with American terminologies but that’s a different discussion
So, you couldn’t be bothered to take 30 seconds to search for something I mentioned, but I am supposed to fall in line and accept all your definitions and points of view?
That’s pretty funny.
Fine, let’s play your game
A mayor from almost 100 years ago is irrelevant to this discussion. I don’t know about you, but I was talking about contemporary times here
Is this really how you wanna discuss?
First, now you’re trying to move the goal posts. If you didn’t know who LaGuardia was you should have mentioned it right away.
Second, let’s jump to your latest comment and start from there.
If LaGuardia is irrelevant to the current situation, why is Marx relevant? He’s been dead longer than Fiorello.
You’re the one demanding we use antique terms, and chastising me for trying to update them.
Finally, everything you’ve posted has proved my first point, that there are people on the Left who will argue and argue instead of trying to build consensus
And so, okay, instead of discussing like this, or rather arguing, I want us to take a step back and ask, “what is it that we’re actually trying to achieve here?”
Is the goal to “win” the argument? Is the goal to look at a different perspective? This isn’t a debate club, there is nothing to gain here, except our personal knowledge or understanding of something
And so, on that note, you said how this is exactly how leftists shoot themselves in the foot with arguments like this, but like, who is trying to argue here? And for whom? As far as I can tell, you are the one trying to win some argument, I’m just trying to have a discussion about terms in a, presumably, left-leaning environment where we’re all already roughly on the same page. From an external point of view, what people see is you mostly going off on others
When you say I’m chastising you, that’s literally your imagination, it’s not what I’m trying to do at all. So please don’t put words in my mouth, okay?
The point others were trying to make, is that it’s useful to talk about the working vs the owning class. And I further tried to get across that it’s useful to have this sort of knowledge, and that using terms loosely isn’t helpful for one’s understanding of a topic. This is something that I speak from personal experience. It’s basically just an argument for political literacy
But if I didn’t get that across properly, then I apologize. I could have spent a bit more time explaining myself
Let’s take it back to the beginning.
Someone said that I should have used the term ‘working class’ instead of ‘middle class.’
I said that was pointless hairsplitting and a waste of time.
And now, apparently, you’ve decided I was correct and it is pointless hairsplitting.
Did I miss anything?
Also, for those who actually would like to learn something, here’s a link to LaGuardia’s wiki.
LaGuardia was so good that even the author of ‘Starship Troopers’ praised the [his words] “Socialist Mayor.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_La_Guardia
https://youtu.be/Plo6MfbgcsE?list=PLcvFO4lyuy_sW_3kEqdpK7mhdSKJ7NBUw
Oh jesus christ, sure, go ahead, keep doing just like you’re doing, I’m sure it will keep working out for you
And what exactly did you accomplish?
As far as I can see, absolutely nothing. You didn’t change my mind, and pretty much conceded that I was right since the beginning when I said there was no point in arguing minor issues like my use of the term ‘middle class.’
And you’ve shown that you’d rather swallow rocks then study up on a Socialist who won a lot of elections by building a powerful coalition.