Ah America. Where a six year old can access firearms but not a lunch program.
Are you gonna tell a kid with a gun you aren’t going to give him lunch?
And all gun violence is OK as long as there is a payout to someone.
How did the six-year-old get $10m with which to be fined?
RTFA - The suit was against the school district and the assistant principle for failing to do anything after they’d been told that the student may have brought a gun to school.
Good on her. I hope she puts that money to good use. Teachers usually have a good head on their shoulders, from my experience.
The student’s mother was sentenced to nearly four years in prison for child neglect and federal weapons charges.
You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.
This doesn’t jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have “programmed” me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?
Just because you don’t like guns doesn’t mean you should ruin some innocent person’s life over it. Law should not be about power and crushing your political opponents.
That being said, it is very likely that she was neglectful of her child if he is 6 and wants to shoot his teacher, but honestly that’s something I could see myself doing when I was 6. I hated being in school, and from the kids perspective he is basically being forced into slavery by the state, and the teachers are making it nearly impossible for him to live his life as he wants. It’s not all that crazy when you realize that people have different perspectives. We live in a society where killing is considered bad, but we also normalize the idea of basically forcing children into prisons. I don’t think the kid is wrong. He is being forced there against his will, and obviously he doesn’t want to be in that class if he is willing to kill his teacher, but idk the details. There could also be some dumb or immoral reason for doing it. It’s very likely when they are 6. There is really no good reason for a 6 year old to be away from their parents. Its too young and we as a society have become so greedy that we are willing to accept these things so people can buy more stuff. One of the parents should be raising a child and not working if they are having children. Our society has failed Inca big way by doing this and it causes all kinds of negative effects on society.
I think if there was a warning that the kid had a gun, the principal probably should have taken it from him and called his mother and asked why their kid is bringing guns to school? Definitely seems like mostly a failure of the administration, but since the mother in in prison for four years, I’m assuming she was a drug addict or something and not feeding or comforting her child, which probably exacerbated it, but then again just speculation.
I guess the point is, from my limited knowledge of the event, just a headline, it seems like things probably worked out correctly in the case.
No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.
This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.
I guess it depends on the household. I could say my mom did a great job at educating us. My siblings, mom, and I hold very similar values.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.
Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified… Good.
I agree. And if it ends up that you weren’t qualified, that might be a jail sentence. Good.
“Breed”
Getting a clearer picture now.
Do you? Or do you just want to feel a certain way?
“You programmed them”?
Really? That’s an extremely naive take.
No, you just strongly agree because you’re obsessed with babies.
What a weird response
Weird response is taking the side of not punishing the parent for the child’s actions.
Tell us more!
This thread is going places, gather around kids.
I sense that “child neglect” and “federal weapons” chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don’t leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available…
I had my first two guns in my room when I was 6, but that was the 90s. I wasn’t allowed to play with them for the first few weeks until my parents were sure that I knew how to handle them safely. This was a time before the internet though and people didn’t really have these concepts of guns being some evil and super dangerous thing. A gun is only really dangerous in the hands of a bad person or someone who doesn’t know how to handle them properly. Where I grew up it was just considered a fact of life. The younger you could get kids out in the woods hunting the better. I would bring home squirrels and rabbits to eat when I was like 7-8 years old. This was just the norm for most of human history but modern humans have lost touch with these things.
The only thing my dad really taught me was to check a gun every time I picked it up, to never assume it was unloaded. To make sure I knew what was behind what I was shooting, so I didn’t shoot someone’s house, and to keep it unchambered until I need to use it. Those 3 basic rules were good enough for me. I knew they were dangerous and to not play with them too much.
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn’t just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he’s not criminally responsible for that because he’s six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn’t turn into a monster.
Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad…
You mean they don’t sell loaded guns to 6-year-olds? America: land of the free. 😞
It’s 2025 and people still think age discrimination is ok
It also outlined how one instance in which Ms Zwerner allegedly told Ms Parker that the child was in a “violent mood” and had made threats against another child.
Ms Parker allegedly “had no response” and refused to “even look up” when concerns about the child were brought to her.
Ms Parker’s lawyer argued that she could not have known what would happen, and that Ms Zwerner has exaggerated the extent of her injuries.
Could not have known? Despite being told the child was making threats to other students?
And exaggerated the extent of her injuries? She was fucking shot by a 6 yo. What’s to exaggerate?
That’s not even close to the worst part. After Zwerner reported his “violent mood,” two other teachers reported to Parker that students were telling them he had a gun… The first searched his backpack and turned up nothing but believed it could have been on his person (they saw him tuck something under his sweatshirt.) Parker’s response was that his pockets were too small to hold a gun. Second teacher had another student report he had flashed them the gun in his pocket. Second teacher wanted to search him, but Parker forbade him because the first teacher had already searched his backpack.
That’s pretty fucking bad…
I agree she deserved this ruling…but it’s a shame that this was a public school and she will be collecting tax payer dollars because a mother could not control her 6 year old child…
So it is a shame that it isctaxoayer dollars. But, the tax payers voted for the school board that didn’t establish a culture of responsible administrators. And when I say the tax payers voted… really I mean they didn’t. Turnout for such things is terribly low. Taxpayers need to establish that administrators like this should never be around children, and anyone who lets it happen should be voted out. They should also demand more money for schools so that there is more to pay for better teachers and administrators. It really shouldn’t be all on them. But noone else is going to make it happen.
All sounds like cope to me…parent illegal gun in house… fail…kid gets said gun and goes to school…fail…angry kid threatens other children…fail…school admin does nothing about…huge fail…teacher sitting at a reading table…kid pulls gun shoots said teacher…another fail… kids parent trial guilty goes to jail…positive…teacher slow recovery after many surgeries never gonna be the same…mother and childs fault…teacher sues school board wins…fair…due to parent and inaction of school board taxpayers on the hook…fail…administration probably DEI appointed Public school principals are primarily assigned or hired by the school district’s administration, led by the Superintendent, with the final approval of the School Board not elected…fail… Early onset: Those who are younger at the time of their first arrest tend to commit more offenses overall and are arrested more frequently as adults…this risk decreased in adolescents…
Well, no. She’s collecting tax payer dollars because a school administrator didn’t do anything when told that the child might have a gun.
Well, no. The mother had the gun in the house that the child used. Thankfully the mother is now in jail and the administrator is facing charges still…The craziest thing out of all this is…The student was not charged with wrongdoing and is reportedly in the care of a relative and enrolled at a different school.
Well… yes? Did you read the article? Or the thread you’re replying to?
There are two court cases here (as you seem to understand…) - a civil case against the school, which awarded monetary damages to the teacher (as civil cases often do), and a criminal case against the mother, which awarded prison time (as criminal cases often do). Quite literally, as I stated in the post you replied to, the monetary damages she’s collecting are because the school administrator didn’t do her job. The prison time the mother is serving is because she had an unsecured firearm in her house that the child used. They’re two different things.
The student was 6 years old ffs
And a school shooter…your point…yea sorry gonna sound harsh hear but the child should be in some sort of mental facility…this is just a snapshot of a long criminal future…
This is a perfect example of the noncentral fallacy. When you say ‘school shooter’ what comes to mind is a sixteen year old sociopath murdering a dozen people in a planned terrorist attack, not a six year old who is incapable of understanding the consequences of his actions.
You mean the Truth…kid in school shoots teacher…text book definition of school shooting…“school shooter” is an individual who opens fire in a school setting, causing injury or death to at least one person. These events can occur in elementary, middle, or high schools, and colleges or universities, and are a type of active shooter situation. Definitions can vary, with some criteria focusing on the location and timing of the shooting, and others including incidents at school-sponsored events, even if they are not during regular school hours.
Mental facilities really aren’t very good. He will have a better chance of turning his life around while living in a home, with a family, and recieving mental health therapy.
Wow, you are scum to write off a child’s entire life like that. Yeah, you’re definitely an American “Christian conservative” (quoting another of your comments from elsewhere). I’m writing you off - it’s a shame you didn’t get the same treatment you’re advocating when you were a kid.
I didn’t shoot my teacher with a gun…so there is that…no need for name calling… The truth usually stings a little…
Well at least you understand and acknowledge that being a Christian Conservative is bad and that it’s an insult to be called such
It often stings a LOT, but I can see why you wouldn’t know that considering your obvious disdain for it.
Housing in a “mental facility” (at least here in the US) would make that outcome all but certain. The kid needs regular assessment and help from professionals, sure. With a loving home and safe caregivers through the rest of childhood it will be possible for him to recover and reconcile with his actions, so I hope that’s what he’s getting.
That’s a convenient thought to absolve the mother.
While the administrator carries responsibility for the lack of action, they did not shape the child’s mind nor circumstance that led to this situation in the first place.
It’s not absolving the mother of anything. This is a civil case against the school specifically because the administrator did not do their job. There was a separate, criminal case against the mother, which came with its own penalties.
The point was that it’s a shame the taxpayer is on the hook for this. Not that the mother is solely at fault and the administrator isn’t.
