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Still that’s kinda rich coming from one of the world’s biggest leaders of religion, which literally encourages people to believe things without evidence and simply based on who tells them, based on unseen guidance.
“Passive consumers of unthought thoughts”?
You mean… like a religion brainwashes you into becoming as you’re indoctrinated?
Maybe this guy is being decent, or maybe he just sees a threat to his monopoly?
AI is just the next form of control after businesses have already infiltrated online forums.
The enemy of my enemy and all that. If dude can convince any of his followers to wake the fuck up then let the man speak; we could use the numbers.
Yo, where can I get me a pope sword?
I got mine from kultofathena.com 20 years ago for 40 bucks (though with fancier blade), but just checked and don’t think they sell it anymore.
You can have it if you want, it’s just laying in my basement.
I’m… What? WTF, is that headline trying to tell me that I’m experiencing an aneurysm?
The pope doesn’t like AI, brandished a sword and called people idiots. More at 11
That’s kinda based ngl. Too bad the Catholic church is an awful organization.
Being the head of the longest-running pedophile ring in history doesn’t give one much high ground to chastise from.
Ok he was cooking with that line.
“unthought thought” might replace “artificial hallucination” in my vocabulary.
Who cares what the head of a child molesting cult thinks or said.
Turning people into passive consumers of unthought thoughts
Interesting contrast to the church itself, which has the capacity of turning people into passive consumers of thoughts that have been painstakingly processed for centuries.
Martin Luther typed these words
I don’t know about the West, but a lot of Catholic community in SEAsia (excluding PH) are not blindly following the Pope. I know a lot of people in the community instantly criticizing any form corruption or negativity.
Even our mass regularly ask community to be more rationale in thinking.
Passive consumers of overthought thoughts?
Passive consumers of poorly thought thoughts.
Those damned Catholics.
Signed, a citizen of the culturally Protestant US, where most of us don’t even consider Catholics to be Christian
Isn’t that strange though? Catholics trace themselves back to the disciples (though I think Roman and Orthodox both claim this), yet the new ones that split somewhat recently claim they are the real ones.
Yes the Apostle Peter was the first Pope. Eastern Orthodoxy, Protestantism, the Evangelists etc are are offshoots that for one reason or another rejected the Pope and Canon Law.
Eastern Orthodoxy is not an offshoot of Catholicism. They were both the same church until the schism, when they excommunicated each other.
The Pope traces his apostolic succession back to Peter, but the patriarchs of the Eastern Orthodox church trace theirs back to the other apostles. Originally, the various patriarchates were co-equal, until the Roman church began stylizing itself as the “first among equals” citing some obscure passage where Jesus had a bromance moment with Peter.
The Roman church was never in a position of authority over the other patriarchates, and when the Pope began trying to assert himself that way, the other churches began distancing themselves. The actual schism happened when that tension shattered over different interpretations of one line in the Nicean Creed.
If anything, the Roman Catholic church is an offshoot of Eastern Orthodoxy, which maintained its Ecumenical Council among the various patriarchates throughout its history.
Calling Eastern Orthodoxy an offshoot of Roman Catholicism is a very catholo-centric and misinformed take. And citing Canon Law is silly, because Rome strayed further from the original Canons than Eastern Orthodoxy ever did.
3, 2, 1… Peter Thiel is giving some spiel in Europe about the Pope being the Antichrist
Look… Im sure this is not the first time the pope has been called the antichrist. It likely happened in 884, 964, 997, 1012, 1378, 1409, or 1418 to just name a few.
(This is not be taken seriously, I grabbed a bunch of years from the Wikipedia list of antipopes to make a point when the role was contested. In the case of the ones between 1378-1418, where a bloody mess is an understatement (I would rather read history on the war of the roses), there have been significantly fewer violent disagreements regarding the title/position since then)
Hell I’m sure you could probably throw a bunch of even earlier dates in from back when the Catholics and Orthodox were united under the Chalcedonian Roman Church.
Well yeah, the pope is Antichrist.
The whole assassination of Jesus was an inside job orchestrated be Peter to become the first pope and lead the flock astray right in the hands of the devil!
Did you definitely take your meds this morning?
“I’m definitely not the antichrist, so much so I go around holding events to discuss the antichrist and how I am not him.” The lack of self reflection or perhaps just plain evil is astounding
‘Turning people into passive consumers of unthought thoughts’
That’s brilliant! I’m not Catholic, I’m not even religious at all, and I’ve NEVER paid attention to any Pope, but this guy is different.
“passive consumers of unthought thoughts” is an apt way of putting it. With AI, it’s so easy not to think and have it think for you, even in things that you should really want to think about because it’s entertaining.
For example, I’ve been re-watching Game of Thrones, and I wondered how things would have changed if Joffrey had a father figure in his life that wasn’t Robert, say a teacher in swordsmanship. I could spend a lot of time thinking about how Cersei would see this teacher as a rival and want him dead, whether Robert would protect that teacher because he’s making Joffrey into more of a ‘man’, whether Joffrey being trained as a swordsman would make him braver, and even if everything happened as written up to the Blackwater, would Joffrey find his courage and go out into battle, and ultimately get killed by one of Stannis’ soldiers? What would happen to Sansa?
Or… I could just ask ChatGPT, get a quick answer, and forget all about it.
Dude I think at this point you’re medically required to write that fanfiction.
I was going to ask if they’d heard of AO3, because yeah. I think it’d do at LEAST one number
What a weird world we live in.
I am an atheist (albeit I support our national churches/religious entities and believe they should be state financed) and it is fascinating that I agree with Leo XIV on an ethical, moral and even theological/spiritual level.
P.S. While I don’t believe in a meta-physical, abrahamic tradition-style god, I do think there is a lot of wonder, beauty and even sacredness (divinity) to the cosmos. Something along the lines of this quote from a book by Alan Watts:
The universe is the Big Bang, the beginning of the universe. And you’re not something that is a result of it. You’re not something that is a sort of byproduct of it. You are it. It’s like when you take a bottle of ink and you throw it at a white wall. Smash! And all the ink spreads out. In the middle, it’s dense, isn’t it? And as it gets out on the edge, the little droplets get finer and finer and make more complicated patterns.
So in the same way, there was a big bang at the beginning of things and it spread. And you and I, sitting here in this room, as complicated human beings, are the little fringes on the edge of that bang. We are the way it’s going now.
I am an atheist (albeit I support our national churches/religious entities and believe they should be state financed)
What the actual fuck?
Another poster mentioned “That’s a very European mindset.” It’s not exclusively a European mindset, I’ve lived for several years in Asia and have visited multiple regions. This “mindset” is arguably common even among those who are not particularly religious.
National religious institutions provide a sense of belonging to the populace, help maintain our national identity and culture and help our national liberation struggle. Even as an atheist, these are clearly good things.
And there is no discrimination in terms of religious identity. I support our Orthodox Church, Catholic Church (which is actually much more diverse than in many countries) and the Crimean Muslim leadership.
One can argue this is not a mindset, but common sense and that American attitudes are a mindset.
From my time living in the US (several years, with extensive travels), I got the impression that America nominally has “separation of church and state”, but it in reality this separation does not exist. A significant portion of American Christianity (perhaps not the majority, but it is a huge portion, far more than most Americans would admit) is de facto an arm of the oligarch regime, focused on enabling tax fraud, spreading crime and corruption and running political bribery systems. And you can’t even shut them down because of the alleged “separation of church and state”. It’s funny how that works. :)
There is one anecdote that perfectly demonstrates what I am talking about:
And the cherry on top was a comment that I found when doing a web search to find the link above:
If churches opened their doors, they’d be subject to the same criminal and legal risk that any other private business would be responsible for. The world is not a perfect utopia, and churches have to protect themselves as much as anyone else. Why don’t you open your doors?
This is extremely funny. 🤣
Wouldn’t you rather have people recognize why they turn to religion and nationalism instead of taking care of their fellow humans (for the sake of being human themselves instead of being kind in the expectation of a reward by a imagined deity)?
It’s the sick and bone crushing world we ourselves need to change so we can all finally be free as humans together - not look for belonging and identity, certainly not national which will only pit us against each other.
“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.” (Yes, it can help you cope - but don’t forget to reflect on what you’re suffering from.)
“No saviour from on high delivers; No faith have we in prince or peer. Our own right hand the chains must shiver: Chains of hatred, greed and fear.” Yup.
