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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee’s child will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini’s response is simply disgusting.
can anyone explain to me seriously, why aren’t the citizens SHOOTING THEM WITH THEIR GUNS!?
for reals, what the fuck, the USA’s whole deal with the guns is to stop situations like this happening yet no one is doing anythiing to stop these terrorists
USSA
Fuck this hurts. Probably because it’s so true. I really don’t want it to come to it, but I’m gradually realizing I may have to protect myself from people I know and love.
What is it about giving permission for violence that draws people? Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
You probably saw Con Air and don’t want to end up in Nicholas Cage’s role from that movie, I’d reckon, as well!
Whoa! You don’t know me like that. But it seems you do.
I also think about the first Jack Reacher movie. Where Tom Cruise’ character asks them if they’re ‘sure they want to do this’ right before wiping out a bunch of dudes 5:1.
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in? American police are allowed kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe? American police are allowed to kill you.
If each and every police department was replaced with an occupational paramilitary junta… Would anybody notice?
Edit: my b, this was done by ICE. They’re basically the same thing but at a federal scale.
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Which book?
Yeah, it’s almost like that…
The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
The murderer will definitely get away with it. There will be more ICE agents doing the same thing, emboldened by this incident and the lack of consequences. After the hundredth murder, people are definitely going to start shooting ICE agents on sight. The only way out now is for the administration to punish these agents, but like I said, this will definitely not happen.
After a while, it won’t even be about immigration any more. ICE will have become a symbol of Trump and his power.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/ice-officer-minneapolis-shootig-identified
The ICE officer who fatally shot Renee Good in Minneapolis on Wednesday has been identified as Jonathan Ross.
Trump wants violent conflict to happen so he can suspend voting.
Fucking do it anyway. Even if there are elections he’ll do everything he can to cheat. Why do you think he’s getting chummy with Musk again?
People keep saying this but even if there’s a violent conflict happening, he cannot suspend voting.
During his first term, he did plenty that he supposedly can’t do. Over the past year, he’s done even more that he supposedly can’t do. I guarantee you he will try to suspend voting in 2028, possibly even this year.
He’s already openly telling Republican states to redistrict, without even some bullshit excuse. He’s directly saying redistrict so we don’t lose control of Congress.
I’m sure he’s going to TRY even if there’s not mass internal violence. There is a point when enough is enough and elections happen regardless of his will.
What other part of the American government has fought his illegal actions ? I can’t think of any meaningful ones. Supreme Court he ignores, Congress he ignores. So what makes you so confident that elections will run if he stops them?
It is going to happen at the state level within states that are not complicit. The Federal government doesn’t control elections. It’ll be up to complicit states to decide if they want to secede at that time.
That shit is now fullly at the Gestapo level.
they were hoping he gets “run over” by her so they can shooting , plus this wouldve been a non-stop talking point for fox.
After a while???
It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The governor and local officials dispute the federal government’s version.
That’s great. Now arrest the ICE agent for murder.
Best we can do is touch children and take all your resources. Thoughts and prayers.
The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version
ARREST THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE STATE.
they wont, because they just virtue signal it.
You’re a decade too late with that shit.
I wrote and deleted a comment multiple times. I am convinced that violence is the only ethical option left to us. Every member of ICE and every Republican is a mass murderer and must be treated as such. No more amnesty for murderers, despots, fascists, or their supporters. They must be held accountable for their horrors and we cannot afford to wait. The world cannot afford to wait.
The problem they don’t seem to realize is that at some point people are going to start thinking that if ICE is around there’s a good chance that they’re going to kidnap or kill you, even if you’re white. People are going to start shooting first. They aren’t giving people much choice and there are so many guns in the US.
We are under violence, we are in the middle of violence, what you refer as “violence” is basic survival, self defence. It is not violence.
Physical self-defense from an existential and immediate threat implies interceptive and reciprocative violence from the defender.
Violence in such situations is not only justified, but is required.
In simple terms, one isn’t justified to start the fight, but one is morally obligated to end it, if they have the power to do so.
Also, not sure if I mentioned it in this thread, because I have been spamming non stop in every conversation.
ORGANIZE.
all this “self defence” or “getting armed” is useless and 100% BS if we do not organize, you will only end up as a lone corpse. Organize, make contacts, groups, consistently attend local politic meetings with them, you have absolutely no idea how much power a handful of people have when they consistently raise their collective voices.
This is a systemic attack, not an individual attack, they aren’t sending an ICE agent to you personally. they are an institutional threat to everyone. we need collective self defence.
Organize, distribute ICE whistles, if you are white enough to be “moderately safe” from ICE follow them and warn everyone. build mutual aids, connections with similar groups in nearby regions.
a 100.000 lone wolves are usless. 100.000 organized mass is unstoppable.
Come on man, not every Republican is a mass murderer what a dumb thing to say. Like saying every Democrat is a lesbian, how fucking stupid lmao
Must they be held accountable? Fucking of course.
not all of them are mass murders, but almost all of them fantasize to commit shootings. if you seen one or talked to one, they love to use thier gun at the slightest incident.
The US is crazy, but I struggle to believe most voters fantasise about going around shooting people to death.
I’ve lived here 42 years. It’s not most voters, but it’s a lot larger than a handful.
What you mean? Republican is aggregation of all bad things, racist, pedophile, rapist, murderer, stupidity the list goes on
Anyone that voted for this shit has blood on their hands.
This is correct but a lot of people have been in denial. Anti-gun people should have been learning how to shoot as of January 7th, 2021… but here we are.
There definetely is something wrong I think too. How are people not on the streets finishinh what Luigi started?
This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I’m saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what’s scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Ahhhh yes it’s actually our fault! How silly of us! I live in rural Arkansas without enough money to buy gas to get to Minnesota, so please do tell what you expect me to do.
Inform people what happened, explain to the ones that you know will listen and understand how as welly why it’s wrong. How ICE is serving as an internal terror organization within this country. Not everyone can go out shooting but make a meal for those who do kinda thing.
What makes you think I don’t do all of those things? I’m just not out killing people and then dying myself so what’s the fucking point right? Blood for the blood god!
All of this is happening in the most armed country in the world and there has yet been a single major incident where people have been shot by activists, as far as I’m aware. No Kyle Rittenhouse style incident, no crazed lone gun man shooting ICE officers, no tense standoffs between police and armed demonstrators gone awry.
Being on the receiving end of the opposition to Trump is safer than attending an American school.
It’s not that you should be going in to the streets killing people at random. Violence should be avoided if possible. But it’s odd that things are so peaceful in such a violent country. There is no smoke, thus it’s hard to believe there’s a fire.
If Trump feared the opposition, there would be mass arrests on bogus domestic terrorism charges – violence or not.
I read Judge Karen Immergut’s final ruling in early November that blocked the National Guard from remaining in Portland. Its main point was that the violence they were sent to Portland to quell did not exist in reality.
In other words, Portland avoiding violent resistance allowed the judge to kick out the National Guard. The courts are holding, and so is the military. It’s taking time, but they are not all going along with this, and both the judiciary and the military are required for a successful coup. In reality he’s losing power faster than he can consolidate it.
Don’t be blinded by single events. That’s what they want. If you do not want a fucking occupation of your city based on the lie that they are there to quell violence, then violence is not the correct response at this point.
Given that avoiding midterms altogether is the entire point of all this escalation – Venezuela, ICE murdering citizens, all of it – I will not judge anyone sane enough to avoid it for now.
I suggest you do the same. By which I mean “Violence should be avoided, but . . .” is not actually an anti-violence statement.
Aw yes. The only things that can be done are only in Minnesota.
anything you can, with anyone else who will. you want to know what doesn’t help? doing nothing.
So many people act like it’s no big deal to start a violent revolution against the most militarized government in history and it’s fucking absurd.
not at all. but what it is, is necessary.
i know it’s fucking crazy, but here we are. America has been taken over by fascists. They are not just going to leave. The suffering, for not just America but the world, will only get worse until the American public, the State governments, the military, do what needs to be done.
I’m sorry that America is at the point of Civil War, but it is. That fact isn’t just going to go away. No one is coming to save America.
I honestly think, deep down, most Americans know this. But the reality of it, the shock of it, is just too great. The cognitive dissonance is too overwhelming.
but what it is, is necessary.
WRONG. Becoming violent at this point is the single most idiotic, stupid thing we could do right now.
That’s what this escalation is designed to provoke.
Do you really think the US government does not know how to deal with violent protests? It’s what they want.
“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.” – John Lennon
sure bud. good luck hugging your way to freedom while ppl die.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version, I’m sure they’ll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It’s abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
She was given conflicting commands, one to move the car and one to get out of the car. She was literally complying with their commands.
She was given conflicting commands, one to move the car and one to get out of the car.
Thank you! She was attempting to comply with one, while the other was trying to abduct her, and probably saw the third guy right as he pulled the trigger.
This is one of the tactics the pigs have used for a long time. Give conflicting orders so no matter what they can use violence.
Not that it matters but she seems so nice :(
i agree with you that she seems nice
It’s much much much better to link to a known news source instead of just posting a screenshot.
TY
Ah I see the Palantir + Flock + Instagram license plate to demographic cross-referencing system must be up and running. (Joking but worth realizing that there is no technical barrier to the existence of such a thing)
Jokes aside, this hits close to home. RIP Renee Good :c
When will centrists realize that this isn’t a both sides thing?
I am disgusted and scared, fuck the center of this country that ignored these problems until they tore it apart.
