Because there is nothing giving the federal government jurisdiction over state elections, it is very explicitly a power reserved to the states. As I’ve said, they can go far beyond their jurisdiction to interfere but there is nothing that can happen to grant them the constitutional power.
it wouldn’t be legitimate by traditional standards
No, this phrasing right here is the problem☝️
IT WOULD NOT BE LEGITIMATE BY ANY STANDARD. THE USA WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY A HOSTILE FORCE
The difference between those two things is the difference between your EU neolib governments covering their eyes and going about business as usual and actually responding to the crisis that it is. That recognition is very real and tangible both in the USA and internationally.
Holy fuck just stop talking about US governance if you don’t know what you’re saying. Declaring a state’s elected officials are terrorists or putting them in jail does not remove them from office.
Edit because I assume I got blocked:
They may have other ways
They do not
They do not
They do not
They do not
They do not
For everyone’s own sake we need learn to reject fascist legalese. There are sometimes very goddamn clear lines and you can’t carry their water by assuming they can cross them.
They may have other ways, under martial law they can do whatever the fuck they want, especially when you don’t give a crap about the law, and only twist it to serve your own agenda.
They don’t give a crap about justification, they are so far gone now, they often don’t even give a shit about plausible justification. They just use whatever paragraph suits their purpose.
Of course if try to hold an election when Trump under martial law has said not to. And those are labeled terrorists or enemies of the state, then those officials will be jailed. And jails to keep them are being built as we speak.
Again you’re conflating their dubious federal powers of immigration enforcement + “self defense” against a well defined and core process of election. People can disingenuously argue frame-by-frame on a video about “intent” or “threats” all day. You can’t let them do the same to the clearly written, fundamental legal structure of the country.
you’re conflating their dubious federal powers of immigration enforcement
Not at all, I’m looking at the overall behavior of Trump, and hes disregard for the law. The kidnapping of Maduro was also illegal, both by international and American law. Even if USA doesn’t give a shit about international law, he was required to ask permission from congress.
You can’t let them do the same to the clearly written, fundamental legal structure of the country.
What?? But he is already doing that left and right!!! He already attempted a coup! Completely against the constitution. Something he should be in jail for, and undetectable for any public office for the rest of his life. Why are you arguing so hard against obvious evidence?
He has also used his presidential powers to go after people that were against him! And interfered in investigations where he has clear personal interests.
Trump breaks the law constantly, he is a pattern criminal. Why would you think that with the power to make USA a totalitarian nation he wouldn’t do so?
And who do you imagine will stop him, if he has the control of the entire federal system?
Because there is nothing giving the federal government jurisdiction over state elections, it is very explicitly a power reserved to the states. As I’ve said, they can go far beyond their jurisdiction to interfere but there is nothing that can happen to grant them the constitutional power.
No, this phrasing right here is the problem☝️
IT WOULD NOT BE LEGITIMATE BY ANY STANDARD. THE USA WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY A HOSTILE FORCE
The difference between those two things is the difference between your EU neolib governments covering their eyes and going about business as usual and actually responding to the crisis that it is. That recognition is very real and tangible both in the USA and internationally.
Which is completely irrelevant, if they are declared terrorists that are trying to destroy America.
Holy fuck just stop talking about US governance if you don’t know what you’re saying. Declaring a state’s elected officials are terrorists or putting them in jail does not remove them from office.
Edit because I assume I got blocked:
They do not They do not They do not They do not They do not
For everyone’s own sake we need learn to reject fascist legalese. There are sometimes very goddamn clear lines and you can’t carry their water by assuming they can cross them.
They may have other ways, under martial law they can do whatever the fuck they want, especially when you don’t give a crap about the law, and only twist it to serve your own agenda.
They don’t give a crap about justification, they are so far gone now, they often don’t even give a shit about plausible justification. They just use whatever paragraph suits their purpose.
Of course if try to hold an election when Trump under martial law has said not to. And those are labeled terrorists or enemies of the state, then those officials will be jailed. And jails to keep them are being built as we speak.
And calling the woman that was shot a terrorist is legitimate?
Again you’re conflating their dubious federal powers of immigration enforcement + “self defense” against a well defined and core process of election. People can disingenuously argue frame-by-frame on a video about “intent” or “threats” all day. You can’t let them do the same to the clearly written, fundamental legal structure of the country.
Not at all, I’m looking at the overall behavior of Trump, and hes disregard for the law. The kidnapping of Maduro was also illegal, both by international and American law. Even if USA doesn’t give a shit about international law, he was required to ask permission from congress.
What?? But he is already doing that left and right!!! He already attempted a coup! Completely against the constitution. Something he should be in jail for, and undetectable for any public office for the rest of his life. Why are you arguing so hard against obvious evidence?
He has also used his presidential powers to go after people that were against him! And interfered in investigations where he has clear personal interests.
Trump breaks the law constantly, he is a pattern criminal. Why would you think that with the power to make USA a totalitarian nation he wouldn’t do so?
And who do you imagine will stop him, if he has the control of the entire federal system?