A bombshell new report from CBS News suggests that the Iranian Government has murdered between 12,000 and 20,000 protesters since the ongoing, national revolt against it began.
“Information trickling out of Iran on Tuesday suggests that a crackdown by authorities to end more than two weeks of widespread anti-government protests has likely been far more deadly than activists outside the country have reported,”
12.000 number came first from JerusalemPost/TimeofIsrael side so its not reliable.
Jesus, I wish there was some kind of standard for freedom of speech and freedom of the press that could be applied globally…
But that would be inherently “evil” because global governments are supposed to be bad? Unless it’s corporate globalism. Then it’s ok, and we don’t need standards or regulations because the values are just baked in and because it’s a private company…?
Not trying to downplay Iran murdering so many citizens or give Trump brownie points just because he’s pointing at the guy he’s got a lot of catching up to do with before they can be compared on who is more justified in how they crack down on their critics and the press.
Let’s focus on the guy in Iran bc Trump’s mad at him, not the guy in Saudi Arabia bc we’re frenz now… And maybe not the guy in Russia? Because I can’t even keep up with what we’re all supposed to believe re: Trump, Putin, and oil right now.
Tldr: Authoritarian dictators all suck no matter who they are, where they are, or how many innocent people they’ve murdered (so far)
From what I was told. We can’t trust info coming out of Iran right now. We don’t know if these are the Iranian government trying see who repeats info. But because internet is so limited. We don’t have our normal sources.
ITT: lemmites jumping through hopes to be contrarians
Or they’re doing the Iraq WMD stuff to go to war. Something that the current admin did for months with Venezuela.
CBS News
12,000 and 20,000 protesters
Dawg Pakistan wasn’t even able to arrest that many people in the past 2 years worth of protests against an army with actual firepower that has been working overtime to get people killed.
It even took Gaza a solid month to reach those numbers under constant bombing campaigns and a wall of IFVs.
Iran’s internet has only been complete blackout for 4 days, so unless they decided to unload several war days worth of ammunition in a purge killing spree, this isn’t possible. AP is reporting 2.7k.
News orgs are getting orders from ellison getting orders from the administration. Apparently they do not feel they need people in reality to be on board with iran war 2 so they just supply obviously obscenely inflated figures.
Its atrocity propaganda
2.7k is most likely a big overestimate.
Literally atrocity propaganda.
This is the Iran equivalent of the beheaded babies.
CBS is owned by Larry Ellison and run by Bari Weiss. Zionist fanatics who are Israel first.
CBS is currently beholden to the Nazi’s and I don’t know if I trust their reporting. It would be in the US’ best interest to show Iranian instability as well as how violent “real” protesting is to try and dissuade domestic ideas.
That said. If Iran is murdering 10k citizens a week, their government won’t last through the end of the month. One can only hope.
20,000 soldiers were killed on the first day of the Somme in WWI which involved literally mowing down rows of soldiers with machine gun. We would see plenty of evidence if this was happening to civilians in cities even without internet.
Agreed.
Need an al jazeera link.Al jazeera is literally the Qatari state media.
So? Is iran controlling Qatar?
Qatar has much better relations with Iran than most Arab states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Qatar_relations
Qatar is a country that try to keep an image of the country who get along with everybody that’s why it has good relation with the two enemies the usa and iran.
Just weird to say “I don’t trust reporting from a state-influenced source. I’ll wait until I hear reporting from media owned by a different state with an even more vested interest.”
Exposing yourself to propaganda, if you understand it’s propaganda, is just another piece of data to anyone seriously trying to understand the situation. Propaganda exposes desire
Everything is owned by someone. Al Jazeera leans left, and yes they’re a state run media organization, but they’re more factual than not according to ground news. Perhaps the reason Al Jazeera hasn’t published the death toll is because they can’t verify it and their journalistic integrity prevents them from echoing unverifiable rumors.
Qatar will be ‘based’ in USA!
Yup. Whatever’s coming out of CBS on topics where Israel has vested interest, there’s a good chance of hasbara. Could still be true but a bucket of salt is recommended.
to try and dissuade domestic ideas.
Happening in this very thread 🙄 https://lemmy.zip/comment/23951989
Any unrest in iran right now will be associated with the us and israel, and be ruthlessly crushed for that reason, coming on the heels of israel’s bullshit.
Bombshell report is right. This report was literally made to precede bombs.
Western media always gets played by the cia, state department, israel, et al.
There might be protests, they are associated with the west, on issues the west exacerbated the problems of for this purpose, helped in Iran, but also agent provokateurs to stir up violence.
Protesters are pawns, media is a bishop perhaps, in fomenting another iran war. If we can use a chess analogy when one player lacks major pieces.
If you think the us and israel are going to make anything better, it explains how we got into our own political position.
These numbers are bullshit, they exceed even war casualty numbers where artillery and air power are used. Obvious propaganda.
Systematic killings of civilian population is far more “efficient” than shelling. Any genocide will tell you that.
I really, really hope the protesters succeed. Iran has such a glorious history and wonderful people - they deserve so much more. It could retake its place as the shining example of countries in the region, as it was for most of the last 5000 years.
Do you know that saudi arabia beheads more protestors per capita than Iran? Do you know how many countries in the middleast that don’t even allow any protest or assembly or voting or any political participation? do you know there’s a country in a middleeast that is an actual genocidal settler colonial superamacist aparthied?
Iranian people main suffering happens because of Western sanction because they oppose israel. If the US really gave a fuck about human rights, they should free Palestinians from their genocidal government that slaughtered 100000 of them this year alone. But no, they are aiding israel, and supporting every oppressive murderous absolute dictatorship government in the middleeast that support israel.
Did you know that obesity kills more people than cancer? That’s why we need to stop caring about cancer completely. Someone you know has cancer? Fuck them, because did I mention obesity is worse? We should only think about one thing at a time, and I get to decide what that thing is. Absolutely NOTHING should be done about cancer until not a single human being is obese.
both are bad but the reason they never fight cancer and in fact they’re funding, protecting and spreading cancer to other countries is because there a powerful lobby that bribes US government politicians to fund and protect cancer at any cost, and fight anyone who wants to fight cancer or stop it from spreading to other countries.
they deserve so much more.
Without the sanctions they already would have so much more.
It doesn’t happen to have anything to do with America overthrowing their government and the creation of Israel, does it?
Hey now, don’t leave out the UK. (And the real power, oil money)
We’re we also destabilizing the region to harm Russia during the cold war? I forget.
As long as the US doesn’t march in and say “We’ll help you with your oil and write your laws for you.”
At this point I suspect it’s less about wanting the oil under Iran and more about not wanting China to have it.
Not in the cards now I am afraid, only iran war 2 is in this hand.
With the Trump admin looking who to attack next around the world I don’t trust any of these numbers.
The regime admitted to 2,000.
And while 12,000 is the highest number I’ve seen so far, it’s got to be somewhere between those figures.
Us media is not credible here either. They are being tooled for iran war 2.
Reminds me of the girl who testified for Kuwait before congress telling all sorts of horror stories about the Iraqi occupation. It turned out she was the daughter of a Kuwaiti official and had made it all up to get the US to get involved.
Israel especially. They need war to forestall elections and accounting for blame that their politicians have refused to accept any of. And to forestall their own criminal prosecutions.
Israel’s epstein blackmail seemingly gives them absolute power over the government here. This is their doing, Iran their long standing boogeyman they pretend is advanced enough to hurt them.
AP seems to point towards ~2000
Closer to The MEK report of 3k.
This is the new CBS. Is this true or is it giving Trump what he needs to go in there?
Tr*mp: “How soon can we do that here?”
holy shit, that’s awful.
