So weird, someone just told me I was willing to die on a hill for my opinion when they were getting downvoted to oblivion for their opinion, and holding to it.
I.e., figuratively, they were on their hill taking shots from all sides, unwilling to yield, and yelling down to me - with my similarly opinioned compatriots - that I was willing to die on my hill. It was so bizarre and I was thinking about how they didn’t understand the meaning of the phrase, and then I came across this post.
This may not be the case here, but idioms like this can sound particularly weird when they’re in a language that isn’t your first language. This one doesn’t sound weird to me exceot when used in the wrong way lol.
So just to be clear, the phrase isn’t just about having differing opinions, nor actually putting your life on the line. It is about steadfastly holding to an unpopular (currently, or in the immediate context) opinion in the face of adversity. The more unpopular it is, the bigger the hill it seems to be, with fewer people defending it. In the military context the idiom derives from, hills were strategic goals and holding hills gave advantages. The harder a hill was to defend and hold, the more willing you need to be to die to defend it (literally). In the idiomatic sense, “dying” might be more like getting yelled at from all sides - or downvoted in a huge way…
You said you have a few opinions you would be willing to die for. That’s probably a bit more extreme than this phrase is intended for.
someone just told me I was willing to die on a hill for my opinion
Yeah I saw that one, that was… Weird as hell.
This may not be the case here, but idioms like this can sound particularly weird when they’re in a language that isn’t your first language
Or when you’re autistic, which is the case here, I’m a native English speaker xD
It is about steadfastly holding to an unpopular (…) opinion in the face of adversity.
Yeah, I frequently don’t share those opinions to avoid the adversity. Not all of them, hell if you sort by “Most controversial” on my profile there’s some good examples of me dying on a hill. More just the quiet beliefs that shape massive swathes of my worldview that I don’t talk about frequently for one of a number of reasons.
Think that one might be the root of why this thought occurred to me, tbh; the difference between the opinions I hold that I will actively argue in favor of, vs the ones I hold that I don’t really talk about in any context because, while they’re important to me, they’re not worth arguing over.
You said you have a few opinions you would be willing to die for. That’s probably a bit more extreme than this phrase is intended for.
Fair, yeah. I tend to overanalyze these things, it’s fun for me xD
when they were getting downvoted to oblivion for their opinion, and holding to it.
As one should. Downvote is not a counter-argument. A single thoughtfully written response is infinitely more likely to make me change my view than endless downvotes are. Objectively true statements are being “downvoted to oblivion” here on a daily basis.
Yeah, I was just more commenting on their use of the “hill to die on” thing than the quality or value of their argument. Like there wasn’t anything I was doing to indicate it was a hill I was willing to die on, certainly not any more than they were.
That said, it wasn’t just downvoting, several other people also jumped in to argue with them, and honestly they just seemed to be acting antagonistic for no reason.
And while downvotes aren’t always an indicator of a weak argument, they certainly can be.
So weird, someone just told me I was willing to die on a hill for my opinion when they were getting downvoted to oblivion for their opinion, and holding to it.
I.e., figuratively, they were on their hill taking shots from all sides, unwilling to yield, and yelling down to me - with my similarly opinioned compatriots - that I was willing to die on my hill. It was so bizarre and I was thinking about how they didn’t understand the meaning of the phrase, and then I came across this post.
This may not be the case here, but idioms like this can sound particularly weird when they’re in a language that isn’t your first language. This one doesn’t sound weird to me exceot when used in the wrong way lol.
So just to be clear, the phrase isn’t just about having differing opinions, nor actually putting your life on the line. It is about steadfastly holding to an unpopular (currently, or in the immediate context) opinion in the face of adversity. The more unpopular it is, the bigger the hill it seems to be, with fewer people defending it. In the military context the idiom derives from, hills were strategic goals and holding hills gave advantages. The harder a hill was to defend and hold, the more willing you need to be to die to defend it (literally). In the idiomatic sense, “dying” might be more like getting yelled at from all sides - or downvoted in a huge way…
You said you have a few opinions you would be willing to die for. That’s probably a bit more extreme than this phrase is intended for.
Yeah I saw that one, that was… Weird as hell.
Or when you’re autistic, which is the case here, I’m a native English speaker xD
Yeah, I frequently don’t share those opinions to avoid the adversity. Not all of them, hell if you sort by “Most controversial” on my profile there’s some good examples of me dying on a hill. More just the quiet beliefs that shape massive swathes of my worldview that I don’t talk about frequently for one of a number of reasons.
Think that one might be the root of why this thought occurred to me, tbh; the difference between the opinions I hold that I will actively argue in favor of, vs the ones I hold that I don’t really talk about in any context because, while they’re important to me, they’re not worth arguing over.
Fair, yeah. I tend to overanalyze these things, it’s fun for me xD
As one should. Downvote is not a counter-argument. A single thoughtfully written response is infinitely more likely to make me change my view than endless downvotes are. Objectively true statements are being “downvoted to oblivion” here on a daily basis.
Yeah, I was just more commenting on their use of the “hill to die on” thing than the quality or value of their argument. Like there wasn’t anything I was doing to indicate it was a hill I was willing to die on, certainly not any more than they were.
That said, it wasn’t just downvoting, several other people also jumped in to argue with them, and honestly they just seemed to be acting antagonistic for no reason.
And while downvotes aren’t always an indicator of a weak argument, they certainly can be.