No I’m not asking for legal advice, I’m more asking like where to start and what benefits it might offer my roommate.

Brownie is an awesome friendly dog, and I think he deserves the badge of emotional support animal. Question is, where to start?

  • early_riser@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Guide dog user here. My life and those of other guide and service dog handlers have been made much more inconvenient by the abuse of the “emotional support animal” label. I don’t want to dismiss the concept wholesale, as my guide dog has been a tremendous emotional anchor in addition to a mobility aid, and I wouldn’t want to deny others that benefit.

    However, as wonderful a dog as Brownie surely is, can he traverse a grocery store without sticking his nose in the produce? Can he tolerate walking inches away from cars going past at 30 MPH? Will he get back on track if distracted by other animals? Can he board and ride an elevator, escalator, bus, or plane without panicking? Will he tolerate a fixed bathroom schedule and can he hold it for hours if that schedule cannot be met? Can he ignore others trying to pet or feed him? Will he lie still and quiet in an unfamiliar place? Traditional service dogs are bred and trained to handle these things, and not every dog is cut out for service work. I have trained with three guide dogs, and every time someone in my class has had to swap dogs because the dog they were first given showed resource guarding behavior, or raised its hackles at another dog, or was too flighty around cars, etc. And this was after selective breeding, puppy screening, a year’s worth of socialization with a puppy raiser, and months of professional training.

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    13 hours ago

    Hi OP. I am familiar with this topic because of the kind of work that I do.

    As others have described in this thread, “emotional support animals” and “service animals” are different entities with different requirements and privileges.

    Service animals generally have specific training to perform specific tasks to support an individual who has a disability. Service animals have fairly broad societal privileges based on the protections described by the Americans with Disabilities Act. You could read more about that here: https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/.

    An emotional support animal is a much broader definition which describes an animal whose presence may reduce an individual’s distress. Emotional support animals have fewer societal privileges. Some organizations or businesses may allow the presence of an emotional support animal, but others may not. The main legal protection relating specifically to emotional support animals is that the Fair Housing Act protects owners of emotional support animals from discrimination in housing, such as being denied housing or having to pay additional fees.

    Another place where you could read more about the distinctions between the two at: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/service-dog-training-101/

    There aren’t really any organization that I know of which formally designate animals as emotional support animals, other than some online websites where you can buy and print your own certificate if you are interested in doing so.

    There are many instances where a healthcare worker, such as a doctor or therapist, may recommend the presence of an emotional support animal, however. This kind of recommendation is typically based on the healthcare conditions experienced by the human, which the healthcare worker can attest to as being consistent with medical necessity, such that the presence of an emotional support animal is recommended as clinically appropriate to support the healthcare needs of the human.

    NABDad describes a good example of an appropriate recommendation for the use of an emotional support animal in this thread. If you read his description carefully, he says that the doctor made the recommendation based on his daughter’s healthcare needs, and then they went and found the guinea pig to serve as a form of healthcare treatment after that. The doctor’s assessment was based on NABDad’s daughter, not on the guinea pig.

    If you would like Brownie to be recognized as an emotional support animal for your roommate, the process would generally be for your roommate to contact a healthcare worker, such as a doctor or therapist, so that your roommate can discuss their healthcare needs.

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    22 hours ago

    Emotional support animals do not qualify as service animals under the ADA. There is no process or organization to make him an “official” emotional support animal, though there are many companies that will gladly sell you a badge, certificate, or harness.

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      22 hours ago

      Oh I get that, and I don’t expect Brownie is in any way smart enough to fully qualify as a proper service animal.

      But I do think he brings love and joy to practically everyone, no matter what age the people are.

      Hell, there have been registered emotional support horses and allogators before, no joke, so I just find myself wondering if I can help find a way for my roommate to get Brownie registered as an emotional support dog… 🤷

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        22 hours ago

        Then I guess I’m unclear what you hope to accomplish if you already know there will be no legal privileges or protections. You could draw up your own certification and frame it, Brownie won’t know the difference.

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          22 hours ago

          Emotional support horses have been allowed on airplanes. The least I could try to help my roommate with is trying to get his dog qualified to purchase dog food off his insurance card.

          Like fuck, there’s gotta be a way, right? Where to start though?..

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            22 hours ago

            No, there is no way. That will be entirely up to the airline. They treat non-service animals as pets, with all the rules and regulations that apply. There’s nothing that obligates them to treat an emotional support animal any differently than any other pet.

            I did a little digging into that horse story. It seems it may actually have been a trained service animal and not just an ESA. But in either case, the DOT has since updated its rules to exclude miniature horses from being allowed on airplanes.

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              22 hours ago

              Again, airplane not necessary, my roommate ain’t planning to fly anywhere.

              I’m just curious to try to help him get qualified to purchase dog food from his health insurance card…

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                22 hours ago

                That sounds like it’s up to the insurance company. But, again, there is nothing in the way of being an emotional support animal that would compel it to be covered by insurance, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up for it being covered. A service animal may be a different story.

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                  22 hours ago

                  I do thank you for your advice, but I’m just not sure.

                  His previous healthcare provider allowed him to purchase dog food, but he switched providers and not sure if there’s a proper solution to that this year…

                  I dunno, just trying to help my roommate ya know.

                  I don’t have my hopes up, but I don’t have my hopes down either. Just asking around ya know…

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                20 hours ago

                Hey man, if "my dog is loved by everyone " can be used as a cheat code for food covered with insurance, I don’t think you’d need to use Lemmy to find answers.

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                  19 hours ago

                  He’s not my dog, he’s my elderly roommate’s dog.

                  I’m just asking basic advice on where to start and how to help my roommate…

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    20 hours ago

    My daughter got an emotional support animal before she went to college.

    She graduated from high school in the middle of the pandemic, and she wasn’t sure she’d be able to make it through college, but she found out that if she had an emotional support animal, she could have it with her in the dorm.

    She spoke to her doctor, got the forms, and we found a guinea pig at a shelter.

    Normally a guinea pig needs other guinea pigs around to be healthy and safe. Her guinea pig was surrendered from a home that had 30 guinea pigs and he was severely abused by his siblings. His ears were torn, and he’s got scars on his belly. He didn’t tolerate the presence of other guinea pigs.

    There was a day before she left for college when my daughter was depressed and just spending all day in bed. I pointed out to her that she was responsible for the guinea pig. She could be depressed, and unmotivated, but she had to clean his pen every day, feed him, and take care of him.

    It worked. She graduated in January. He’s her emotional support animal, and she’s his emotional support human. She’s his herd, so she has to keep him company. Obviously, there’s more going on there, but I’m just taking about the emotional support animal.

    He’s actually gotten better too. He still doesn’t live with other guinea pigs, but he doesn’t run away if he hears them anymore.

    The only legal benefit to having an emotional support animal that I’m aware of in the U.S. is you can’t be denied housing.

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      20 hours ago

      Damn. Awesome, but damn…

      Brownie is already like everyone’s unofficial support animal around here, at least the people Brownie knows anyways. Brownie is a rescue, some lousy ass sack of shit of a human dropped him off at our city park almost 2 years ago. ☹️

      Brownie has his forever home now with my roommate…

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      18 hours ago

      Fuck you once for accusing me of abusing anything, I just asked a question.

      Fuck you twice for implying my roommate doesn’t have emotional issues.

      Brownie is an awesome emotional support animal, he’s just not registered.

      So, if you don’t have useful information or suggestions, then please kindly fuckoff.

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          17 hours ago

          Why wouldn’t they need help? Do you think the local government goes door to door asking residents if they have any ailments or issues and supplies them with the proper forms and education on what programs or services are available for them? Like how could you possibly come to the conclusion that this would be the case and that your comment was some sort of “gotcha?”

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              17 hours ago

              You think your average person can access therapy services especially in a place like Mississippi, the poorest state in the entire nation? Keep in mind this guy is apparently 66 years old with a roommate.

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                  16 hours ago

                  Brownie is reasonably affordable for him, and he keeps roommate alert and aware of situations around him and where he stays.

                  Reasonably affordable doesn’t mean roommate is wealthy though.

                  I take care of elderly and disabled people, and I promise you, none of them are wealthy, they just need help…

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                  16 hours ago

                  You can’t be a real person. I see homeless people with dogs all day long. You don’t need to be wealthy to own one especially when it’s a rescue that someone dumped in a park. Are you just making ridiculous claims as a way to double down and avoid looking foolish for overreacting or do you really believe what you’re saying?

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          Why in the holy fuck do people keep insisting I’m somehow lying about my roommate? He’s 66 years old and doesn’t fully understand modern technology.

          And I’m only 43 years old, and I don’t have all the answers for him…

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    20 hours ago

    Maybe try for therapy dog certification. Appropriate training and testing is available in some places, not sure about Mississippi. Many hospitals and nursing homes recognize it and will allow certified dogs and handlers into their facilities.

    For an ESA, all you really need is a therapist’s note, but recognition isn’t guaranteed.

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    22 hours ago

    Last I heard it was slightly backwards.

    You need to find someone who needs an ESA and get a professional to sign off on that for that person and then their animal can become an ESA.