After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.

For the immigrants who aren’t calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?

For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn’t find out?

Deporting people who are then killed in a new county (as part of the process) somehow would count in this tally, dropping people out of a plane into the ocean would count, etc. Could stuff like that be done and the public is just not aware?

Is there any master list of immigrants who are detained and a record of proof of life later or do we just not know?

Part of the reason I am asking this is I am very naive, and gullible, and ignorant. I don’t like ICE, but I don’t know that much about the immigration system.

I don’t know if it would be impossible for 20 percent of immigrants to be diverted to things that will kill them without non-racists (who are mere authoritarian fascists) telling people, or whether the record keeping is so bad anything is possible, or whether such fears are unfounded.

During the holocaust, one thing that happened is many people didn’t know the extent of the horrors until after it happened. I sometimes am worried about things like that, about it being worse than we know.

I was also thinking about immigrants who are disconnected, like not close with family, not many friends, very poor… Is there any way for someone like that to disappear in the system in a way in which those in power are actually killing the person?

I genuinely don’t know the answer. I believe ICE is cruel to people and evil, but I have no idea if there’s some limit we know about (ie, “it’s bad, but we know they aren’t brutally murdering large number of people they’ve abducted because we would know.”) I already know that they deny immigrants needed medical care in custody, resulting in killing immigrants, and I already know they arbitrarily kill some portion of immigrants during the arrest and detainment process through brutality.

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    I think what’s standing between us today and the bottom of the genocidal slippery slope is the (relatively) free media. There are too many ways to check up on them today. Commercial satellites, FOIA requests, people with smartphones. If ICE were building a death camp or digging mass graves now, we probably would find out.

    So it’s important to look at how CBS gave in and how the pentagon restricts coverage in exchange for accreditation - those are your first dead canaries in the news coalmine. When commercial satellites are suddenly forced to blur or not cover ICE camps …

    I would be surprised if they hadn’t killed more people in detention already. The aim of ICE is to be state terror, their people are of questionable character, poorly trained or vetted. A duty of care is probably not first and foremost on their mind. There probably is a way to brush some cases under the carpet. Deaths by “natural causes,” “misplaced” death certificates, “corpses” on repatriation flights. The spotlight of public attention needs to be on these motherfuckers constantly.