So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.

What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?

Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.

On which one should we put our weight?

Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: https://lemmy.ml/post/40744781

  • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
    1·
    4 days ago

    I may be reading this wrong, but it seems defederated instances it falls back to defederating hexbear/ml/grad? It runs every time site_instance_chooser_view is called.

    defed_list = BannedInstances.query.filter(or_(BannedInstances.domain == 'hexbear.net',
BannedInstances.domain == 'lemmygrad.ml', BannedInstances.domain == 'hilariouschaos.com', BannedInstances.domain == 'lemmy.ml')).order_by(BannedInstances.domain).all()
    • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      Yes, they’re defederated by default (along with lots of other instances) but a piefed instance admin can remove them.

      You do know that piefed.zip and anarchist.nexus removed it, and federate with hexbear and lemmygrad.

          • Blaze (he/him)@piefed.zipEnglish
            2·
            2 days ago

            Yeah, it’s just showing that indeed Piefed.zip is still federated with HB and Lemmygrad (while still informing new users about them)

      • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
        0·
        4 days ago

        What other instances beyond the 4 listed in the code here are by default defederated? Afaiu if you try to 100% federate by having no defederated instances, this overrides and defederates from these 4 again.

        • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          4 days ago

          Like 80 or so are also defederated.

          Afaiu if you try to 100% federate by having no defederated instances, this overrides and defederates from these 4 again.

          How would you know this at all? You run a Piefed server, have you?

          Why are you trying to lecture me about how Piefed must work when you’ve never run or looked at Piefed from an admin perspective?

            • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              4 days ago

              Okay? And as I’ve told you, there are active Piefed instances THAT ARE FEDERATED WITH HEXBEAR, LEMMYGRAD AND HILARIOUSCHAOS. I’ve never heard anything about the system automatically re-applying those instances in the event of an instance wiping all preset defederations. Lemmy.zip, and thus Piefed.zip has no defederation and they currently federate with those instances.

              • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                0·
                4 days ago

                I’m just reading the code, no need for all caps. Have you tested it to see that, if you remove your defederated list, that it doesn’t fallback to defederating those?

                • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  No, I don’t run an instance myself personally. I can see the defederated instances in the admin toolbox though. I’m not going to purge them all briefly just to experiment. But I don’t believe piefed.zip has any servers they refuse federation with (I can ask demi if he actually does defederate with anyone either on lemmy.zip or piefed.zip), and given the inclusion of lemmy.ml in that list - I suspect it doesn’t work like that in the first place if you were to do so.