France says it has seized an oil tanker in the Mediterranean suspected of being part of Russia’s sanction-busting “shadow fleet”.
French President Emmanuel Macron said the tanker, named the Grinch, was “subject to international sanctions and suspected of flying a false flag”.
The French navy, with the assistance of allies including the UK, boarded the vessel on Thursday morning between Spain and Morocco. French maritime authorities said that a search of the vessel had “confirmed the doubts as to the regularity of the flag”.
Russia’s embassy in Paris said it had not been informed of the seizure.
For those who are talking about rules-based order and international law, please understand that those ideas are dead. You can’t pretend there is a morally-just world police while Gaza is being leveled, Venezuela was invaded, war in Ukraine has continued for years, and China bullies Taiwan and the Philippines.
If you haven’t listened to it yet, I highly recommend Mark Carney’s speech from earlier this week at Davos. World leaders are just now coming to terms with the new reality of “might makes right”.
Laughing at all the vatniks complaining in the comments about those poor russian oligarchs having their assets seized. Cry me a fucking river.
so… stealing cargo ships is now okay.
i wonder what yall gonna think of this when russia and china start doing it.
Yeah you’re leaving about a tonne of relevant details and context out.
Like that I too can make idiotic assertions.
Ukraine bombed Russian oil refineries! How could they, they’re so evil, can you imagine them attacking European infrastructure?
See what I did there? I left out the little tid bit of Russia being a cruel dictatorship supported by oligarchs who invaded Ukraine for bullshit reasons and has committed genocide multiple times now, which is the reason for Ukraine fighting back.
Now you do you. Look at what you wrote and point out the list of issues that explains all you wrote, but that you conveniently left out.
Illt wait
Internternationally sanctioned.
If you agree to play by the rules then don’t be suprised when enforcement happens.
They chose to join this global economy and there are rules to follow.
The rules-based order is dead, and there is no world police. Countries just take what they think they can get away with. Otherwise, there would be aid flowing into Palestine, Venezuela wouldn’t have been attacked by the US, and everyone wouldn’t be fighting over Greenland.
unilaterally sanctioned*
the world isn’t composed solely of the western world.
Like how Russia invaded Ukraine and keeps committing war crimes?
When the US did this, everyone was quick to call it piracy. Which, to be fair, it practically was, although I can’t say I have any sympathy for Putin.
I wrote this on another post, but copying it here because it’s same shit, different user (or is it?)
Yeah you’re leaving about a tonne of relevant details and context out.
Like that I too can make idiotic assertions.
Ukraine bombed Russian oil refineries! How could they, they’re so evil, can you imagine them attacking European infrastructure?
See what I did there? I left out the little tid bit of Russia being a cruel dictatorship supported by oligarchs who invaded Ukraine for bullshit reasons and has committed genocide multiple times now, which is the reason for Ukraine fighting back.
Now you do you. Look at what you wrote and point out the list of issues that explains all you wrote, but that you conveniently left out.
Illt wait
There’s a difference between seizing oil tankers because you want their oil, and seizing them because they’re funding an illegal and needlessly destructive war. The first is as explicitly piracy as you can get, the second might be justifiable as sanctions, though definitely in a grey area that most countries would have preferred to stay out of.
But I’m all for seizing the entire shadow fleet and sending the profits to Ukraine.
There are literally dozens upon dozens of treaties and agreements signed by Russia which they are breaking. It’s fair no matter how you try to spin it in your own head.
you mean the ones western bureaucrats are openly saying don’t hold anymore?
Do you enjoy submitting to bullies?
It’s Russia that threw the rules out of the window. The EU and Ukraine have been the most rules abiding powers here. The only ones, arguably. It’s hamstringing them, and en helping the aggressor that doesn’t respect any rules. Sometimes you just have to hit back. And this is still very mild.
the US is the biggest bully in the world for some decades now.
i don’t enjoy getting bombed and regime changed by the us, no.
But do you and your children enjoy being bombed by Russia?
If you do, move to Ukraine.
So now the EU stealing oil as well?
When Finland has been boarding ships in the Gulf of Finland, it has eventually let them go.
But the context has been different: Finland has boarded ships when they’ve dragged their anchors, which places a gas pipeline, electrical and communications cables in immediate danger.
France boarded the ship because they suspected it was not displaying its true flag. Last I checked, they ordered it to travel to an anchoring place and wait, while officials and courts move to sort out the matter.
Well technically it’s embargoed oil so not quite the same as the Venezuelan fiasco (and Venezuela just got a $300M cheque from Trump for some of that oil).
If you beat up someone and then leave some money in their pocket, this is still an assault, not an arranged fight.
The difference is that the US is beating up someone who was sitting quietly in a corner, while the EU is beating up someone who has been beating Ukraine to a bloody pulp for the past 4 years.
I do agree, and tbh I am trying to work through what a world without a “rules based order” looks like.
I do not want to defend Russia by no means, but why when Russia invades a neighbor it is bad, but when the US kidnaps a president it isn’t(at least portrayed in the news as bad)?
Especially when both are threatening to invade Europe and allegedly sharing information?
It’s still bad when the US illegally invades a country (without congressional approval) and abducts its head of state. The only people who don’t seem to mind that are magas, and they don’t seem to mind fascist russia violating international law either.
This juxtaposition is a bit of a strawman, because both examples are bad and anyone with a moral conscience understands that.
Tell me you are an American without telling me you are an American…
And what exactly do you mean by that?
Is saying “What trump did is bad, and the only people who support it are maga lunatics” something only an american would do?
Kidnapping foreign presidents is also bad. Maybe not quite as bad as 4 years of bombing and killing, but still bad. I’m no fan of Maduro, and I think Venezuela will be better off without him (but maybe only if it’s also without his VP and her family’s extensive control of the government apparatus), but this is not a good way to accomplish that.
So reality is complicated and nuanced, and media doesn’t handle that very well. Especially not when they’re increasingly becoming propaganda outlets for a fascist regime.
Not at all better off. What just happened, since the news is not going to tell you apparently, is the administration made a deal with the military to give up maduro and stand down on the operation to become the de facto power, directing the selling out of concessions through their now puppet civilian leadership.
There will be resistance when they start moving oil out, the army will commit abuses, likely including paramilitary death squads financed with drug and gun sales on black markets.
For your information, Russia invaded European country. This would be closer to Venezuela seizing US tanker, not US seizing Venezuela’s
You’re stretching it - it’s not highest robbery when you catch someone driving a car with fake plates and smuggled goods in the back
Your scenario makes sense only from the perspective of basically the police and in international relationships there is no police.
Flying false flags is a valid reason for a country to board a ship, according to UNCLOS.
And america painted their planes as civilian ones.
This is a war crime. I am pointing it out because my point is that international law doesn’t exist. The only differentiating factor is wether you are strong enough avoid being judged.
