• TimmyDeanSausage @lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Nah, I know someone that works in the FBI who is one of my favorite people. She’s probably the most stand-up, dependable person I know. There are plenty of people like her, who genuinely want to make the world safer, and are just as horrified with everything that’s going on. The person I know hunts down serial killers and shit. Her position is less likely to be politicized, but I know that if it was, she wouldn’t compromise her morals.

      Basically, it’s silly to demonize them as a whole. They’re not like street cops who are largely trained to be attack dogs. The more good people we have in the FBI, the better. Those that follow unlawful orders though, deserve to be thrown in prison with the rest of the fascists.

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        What you say is something that many people say, and certainly there’s an element of truth to it. It’s not like you’re lying to us about what you’ve observed.

        But at the same time, here’s a very important question. Has your friend at the FBI ever arrested and gotten another FBI agent convicted for the crimes that they have surely witnessed occurring? Obviously this depends on their exact position, but ask this to any police officer friend that you have. When is the last time that they pulled over another cop and wrote them a ticket for a moving traffic violation? When is the last time they wrote themselves a ticket for a moving traffic violation? The answer is probably going to be never.

        Of course it’s possible you can find that 0.001%. They probably do exist somewhere, especially if it’s a very small police department or FBI Branch office. But let’s just play the odds, and everyone who thinks they have an LEO friend who’s honest, probably most of them are wrong. What they probably actually have is a friend who usually obeys the law themself but does not force their co-workers to obey it.

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          She’s a family member on my husband’s side. I don’t know what she’s done. She doesn’t talk details about her work. But, knowing her, she wouldn’t let someone get away with a felony just because she knows them. She’s not a police officer. She’s super smart, kinda nerdy, introverted, and very progressive. She’s horrified by the same things we’re horrified by, with the Trump administration, and she despises the current FBI leadership.

          I think a lot of y’all have bought into the ACAB narrative a little too hard. Like, yes, are a lot of them bad? Absolutely. I was beaten by a group of cops when I was 18. I’m no stranger to that. But also, there are people that staff internal investigations offices and federal agents that only go after actual murderers. They’re not all corrupt street cops.

          Everything exists on a spectrum. Given their training and mostly free reign to do crimes themselves, yeah, a lot of street cops are corrupt to some degree. But, I think FBI agents are held, and hold themselves, to a different standard and, they have a much higher level of training/vetting. It makes sense (to me) that they’re less corrupt.

          It’s silly to demonize the organization, as a whole, because of their politically appointed leaders and because street cops generally suck. Is it really so hard to believe that some people at the highest levels of law enforcement actually want to uphold the law? I don’t think things are as cartoonishly black and white as you make them out to be.

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          The feds haven’t had the systemic problem of local police with the “thin blue line” shit.

          Until this year, the feds were generally pretty trustworthy.

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              Sure, that’s punchy, but misses the point.

              The feds haven’t had decades to force out anyone who would do the right thing. There are still plenty of good feds (and now, also, many bad ones).

              Outside of ICE, painting with this broad brush isn’t helpful.

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                  We’re gonna need some of the government to help protect and defend the Constitution of the United State of America.

                  Not everyone is against the Constitution.