I can assure you that in the US a presidential paramilitary invading cities that are overwhelmingly white and shooting citizens in the face live on social media is indeed a new phenomenon.
Sort of. Miller has been involved in developing and test running the concept on years, see Hungary (field test of the fearmongering populism + the “Mike Johnson” special - we had “don’t know, wasn’t there, didn’t hear about it, ask someone else” press conference memes like 12 years ago) and other examples. Definitely involved to some degree with Fico and Putin, and to a lesser extent, Babis, Meloni and Simion. They weren’t sure they could get away with it last time Trump was up there, although if my memory serves, national guard was deployed due to maybe BLM?
I mean really, it’s shocking how fast it ramped up but I cannot say that I’m truly surprised it did happen, and if I look back at the people involved in it, it seems more like a gentle increase of the knob than a sudden twist. It’s also just that the higher you are on the dial, the closer together are the red lines.
I mean really, it’s shocking how fast it ramped up but I cannot say that I’m truly surprised it did happen, and if I look back at the people involved in it, it seems more like a gentle increase of the knob than a sudden twist. It’s also just that the higher you are on the dial, the closer together are the red lines.
Yeah I wouldn’t say I’m surprised, and I wouldn’t say it’s entirely “UnPReCEDenTeD” or anything, but it is new and different in terms of scope, brazenness, and certainly technology. We’ve struggled with periods of waxing and waning fascism and fascist-like governance for practically the entire history of the country. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed into law when the country was less than two decades old. But this is still shocking, smothering, abhorrent and a departure from even ten years ago.
The argument that the US is or was always like this and could only be like this is, in my view, made intentionally to paralyze and further demoralize, and gaslight us in the US who wake to a fresh, new hell on a daily basis.
Yeah I get it, but I just grow tired of the argument – and it doesn’t solely come from .ml users but is broadly-speaking a tiring recurrent Internet argument – that nothing ever changes and that everything has always been like this even when it obviously and provably has not.
I mean the government was hiring Pinkertons to do drive-bys on the camps of mostly-white miners. White privilege is important in America, but if it’s a showdown between that and the interests of capital, capital will win every time.
Trump also ordered the extrajudicial execution of a white man, Michael Reinoehl, in his first term. I have no idea why no one ever talks about that.
Because we continue to pretend that the police and military always act lawfully, unless there’s incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
Even with that the news media continues to couch the video of the murders of Good and Pretti as “appearing to show” things and provides smple room for people to lie and copagandize the American public.
I mean yeah, agreed of course, but I don’t even see if frequently mentioned by people who are aware of what’s really going on.
Guess there have been a lot of corpses produced by America in recent decades and… for its entire existence before then too. Too much trauma to keep up with all of it I guess. Remember when Boeing melted a guy’s lungs and nothing happened? Land of the free, rock flag and eagle.
Oh absolutely, the “nothing ever happens” pool of nihilistic, cynical young turds are a huge non-movement-movement. I am not sure what satisfaction people get from discouraging change to systems that they hate, the only thing I can imagine is it’s some form of self-hatred being projected outward.
Reactionary: The contemplated action attempts to change permanent structural characteristics (“laws”) of the social order; it is therefore bound to be wholly ineffective, futile.
I’ll tuck this away to read before bed, I absolutely believe most of our societal problems come from a segment of the population who have a different mental state for dealing with feelings, IE: reactionary feelings dictating what is going on in their head-narratives, and the people who exploit this by supplying these people a narrative to explain their reactions.
I know the history of the US from many perspectives, I don’t need essays about it, I am educated enough to know that a great many countries have a lot of blood on their hands.
I am more concerned with solving issues here and now that harm people than joining bandwagons or tankie clubs and self-flagellating about it though.
These kinds of lists just serve like incel manifestos for people hung up on nationalist persecution rather than sexual insecurity.
A number of people here have no idea what they’re writing about, because they’re not actually from here. I saw some asshole yesterday holding up John Brown as a successful model of how a new American civil war should be fought, lol.
John Brown. If I could find it again I’d screenshot it. This is all just “let’s you and him fight” nonsense.
The number of people on Lemmy alone who will go into frothing rage when you tell them that we’re not about to have a civil war at all actually, at least not this century, tells me a lot about either how uneducated our population is, or how many people really, really get off to cosplaying as Americans online, and think they have even a fleeting idea of what daily life is like here.
Help isn’t coming. Revolution isn’t happening. But we’ve been here before in history, we can turn it around again if enough people work together.
Truth. The fact of the matter is Minneapolis is winning, or ICE would not now be there, Pam Bondi would not be issuing ultimatums to Tim Walz demanding Minnesota voter lists, Gnome would not be issuing faked videos and pictures of big guns with false narratives even as she and Bovino are casting arou9nd the rest of DHS for volunteers to come to the Twin Cities, etc. These cosplatriots are ignoring the finer points, like how ICE has been hitting the more rural parts of MN because the neighborhood networks are making it SO hard to round up anyone at all anymore.
Given the timing of all these comments, I don’t think it’s just a casual effort, but they’re barking up the wrong tree, lol.
You are 100% right: we’ve been here before, and we CAN win this if people work together. Minnesotans learned from GF, and they are leading the way. I literally could not be more proud of Minnesotans than I am right now.
Wild take. You read about the US recently killing civilians in many different countries, and that brings you to sexual insecurity? Another liberal that would rather bury their head in the sand rather than open their eyes. I wish I could say I was surprised.
The US being the largest global terrorist organization isn’t a thing of the past, it’s very much the present. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and basically all before them took part in the atrocities. Yet, the solution to this problem seems to be: “vote blue no matter who.”
Go ahead and march around in costumes then, let me know how it works.
I’ll be organizing community and grassroots work like happened in New York. I know you’re probably offended by optimism but I am still fighting for my country. Not just whinging how bad things are bad.
Sharing information that clearly isn’t common knowledge isn’t whining about a problem. And working towards a slightly more moderate form of capitalism isn’t a solution. It’s just moderately less fascist.
You haven’t even had enough time to comb through a small percentage of what I offered. You instead insisted that you already know everything, and something about your sexual insecurities.
No, you offered a list of bad things the US has done, assuming I’m dumb, for what purpose you never outlined, you have given zero perscriptive statements, you’re just telling people their attempts are futile without providing an alternative. I don’t need that right now, it does nothing for me or others I am trying to actual work to actually help people. Help or get out of the fucking way.
It literally does remind me of when I was working to help young guys and organize programs, and invariably some chud would send me a 20 page manifesto about how bad women are. Okay, fine bro, feel what you want, but why should this change what I’m trying to do right now. Deal with your personal frustrations on your own time.
You referenced liberalism (Mamdani) as a goal for your future. What you’re experiencing right now is all thanks to liberalism. You’re not helping anyone by fighting for the status quo.
This isn’t new, and it doesn’t matter which of the two parties are in office. The US Empire is a cancer.
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html#imperialism
I can assure you that in the US a presidential paramilitary invading cities that are overwhelmingly white and shooting citizens in the face live on social media is indeed a new phenomenon.
Sort of. Miller has been involved in developing and test running the concept on years, see Hungary (field test of the fearmongering populism + the “Mike Johnson” special - we had “don’t know, wasn’t there, didn’t hear about it, ask someone else” press conference memes like 12 years ago) and other examples. Definitely involved to some degree with Fico and Putin, and to a lesser extent, Babis, Meloni and Simion. They weren’t sure they could get away with it last time Trump was up there, although if my memory serves, national guard was deployed due to maybe BLM?
I mean really, it’s shocking how fast it ramped up but I cannot say that I’m truly surprised it did happen, and if I look back at the people involved in it, it seems more like a gentle increase of the knob than a sudden twist. It’s also just that the higher you are on the dial, the closer together are the red lines.
Yeah I wouldn’t say I’m surprised, and I wouldn’t say it’s entirely “UnPReCEDenTeD” or anything, but it is new and different in terms of scope, brazenness, and certainly technology. We’ve struggled with periods of waxing and waning fascism and fascist-like governance for practically the entire history of the country. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed into law when the country was less than two decades old. But this is still shocking, smothering, abhorrent and a departure from even ten years ago.
The argument that the US is or was always like this and could only be like this is, in my view, made intentionally to paralyze and further demoralize, and gaslight us in the US who wake to a fresh, new hell on a daily basis.
They’re a .ml user, you’re not going to get much in the way of a nuanced and intelligent reply focused on solutions.
Yeah I get it, but I just grow tired of the argument – and it doesn’t solely come from .ml users but is broadly-speaking a tiring recurrent Internet argument – that nothing ever changes and that everything has always been like this even when it obviously and provably has not.
I mean the government was hiring Pinkertons to do drive-bys on the camps of mostly-white miners. White privilege is important in America, but if it’s a showdown between that and the interests of capital, capital will win every time.
Because we continue to pretend that the police and military always act lawfully, unless there’s incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
Even with that the news media continues to couch the video of the murders of Good and Pretti as “appearing to show” things and provides smple room for people to lie and copagandize the American public.
I mean yeah, agreed of course, but I don’t even see if frequently mentioned by people who are aware of what’s really going on.
Guess there have been a lot of corpses produced by America in recent decades and… for its entire existence before then too. Too much trauma to keep up with all of it I guess. Remember when Boeing melted a guy’s lungs and nothing happened? Land of the free, rock flag and eagle.
Land of the fee, home of the slave
Oh absolutely, the “nothing ever happens” pool of nihilistic, cynical young turds are a huge non-movement-movement. I am not sure what satisfaction people get from discouraging change to systems that they hate, the only thing I can imagine is it’s some form of self-hatred being projected outward.
What is interesting is at its root, it’s basically a reactionary argument.
(From Hirschman’s “The Rhetoric of Reaction” pg. 167) http://pombo.free.fr/hirschman91.pdf
I’ll tuck this away to read before bed, I absolutely believe most of our societal problems come from a segment of the population who have a different mental state for dealing with feelings, IE: reactionary feelings dictating what is going on in their head-narratives, and the people who exploit this by supplying these people a narrative to explain their reactions.
It’s only fine when the US is terrorizing other countries, right?
Bring the garbage to our streets and I’ll be forced to make a sign to convey my feelings outrage.
Never said anything like that pal o’ friend of mine. But you are forced to be ever the contrarian like a good 'lil .ml guy.
I know the history of the US from many perspectives, I don’t need essays about it, I am educated enough to know that a great many countries have a lot of blood on their hands.
I am more concerned with solving issues here and now that harm people than joining bandwagons or tankie clubs and self-flagellating about it though.
These kinds of lists just serve like incel manifestos for people hung up on nationalist persecution rather than sexual insecurity.
A number of people here have no idea what they’re writing about, because they’re not actually from here. I saw some asshole yesterday holding up John Brown as a successful model of how a new American civil war should be fought, lol.
John Brown. If I could find it again I’d screenshot it. This is all just “let’s you and him fight” nonsense.
The number of people on Lemmy alone who will go into frothing rage when you tell them that we’re not about to have a civil war at all actually, at least not this century, tells me a lot about either how uneducated our population is, or how many people really, really get off to cosplaying as Americans online, and think they have even a fleeting idea of what daily life is like here.
Help isn’t coming. Revolution isn’t happening. But we’ve been here before in history, we can turn it around again if enough people work together.
Truth. The fact of the matter is Minneapolis is winning, or ICE would not now be there, Pam Bondi would not be issuing ultimatums to Tim Walz demanding Minnesota voter lists, Gnome would not be issuing faked videos and pictures of big guns with false narratives even as she and Bovino are casting arou9nd the rest of DHS for volunteers to come to the Twin Cities, etc. These cosplatriots are ignoring the finer points, like how ICE has been hitting the more rural parts of MN because the neighborhood networks are making it SO hard to round up anyone at all anymore.
Given the timing of all these comments, I don’t think it’s just a casual effort, but they’re barking up the wrong tree, lol.
You are 100% right: we’ve been here before, and we CAN win this if people work together. Minnesotans learned from GF, and they are leading the way. I literally could not be more proud of Minnesotans than I am right now.
Wild take. You read about the US recently killing civilians in many different countries, and that brings you to sexual insecurity? Another liberal that would rather bury their head in the sand rather than open their eyes. I wish I could say I was surprised.
The US being the largest global terrorist organization isn’t a thing of the past, it’s very much the present. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and basically all before them took part in the atrocities. Yet, the solution to this problem seems to be: “vote blue no matter who.”
Go ahead and march around in costumes then, let me know how it works.
I’ll be organizing community and grassroots work like happened in New York. I know you’re probably offended by optimism but I am still fighting for my country. Not just whinging how bad things are bad.
Sharing information that clearly isn’t common knowledge isn’t whining about a problem. And working towards a slightly more moderate form of capitalism isn’t a solution. It’s just moderately less fascist.
You have offered nothing here but whinging and whining, you sound like a whiny kid. I’m not engaging anymore.
You haven’t even had enough time to comb through a small percentage of what I offered. You instead insisted that you already know everything, and something about your sexual insecurities.
No, you offered a list of bad things the US has done, assuming I’m dumb, for what purpose you never outlined, you have given zero perscriptive statements, you’re just telling people their attempts are futile without providing an alternative. I don’t need that right now, it does nothing for me or others I am trying to actual work to actually help people. Help or get out of the fucking way.
It literally does remind me of when I was working to help young guys and organize programs, and invariably some chud would send me a 20 page manifesto about how bad women are. Okay, fine bro, feel what you want, but why should this change what I’m trying to do right now. Deal with your personal frustrations on your own time.
You referenced liberalism (Mamdani) as a goal for your future. What you’re experiencing right now is all thanks to liberalism. You’re not helping anyone by fighting for the status quo.
An easy start would be reading Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.
The Democrats are not your allies, unless you’re an old, rich, white dude. Then they’re your best bud.