Did he say pretty please? That would be effective.
Tell him. Ask harder!
i can see why he was so ineffective during the campaign as well, you cant play to republicans emotions about disabled people when they are making fun of them.
Order them by threat of force
Anything else is just more posturing and god, we’ve seen so much posturing already
It is not within the authority of the Governor of the state to use force against federal agents.
These people pushing violence really seem to be happy with just throwing away everything about the country that we’re trying to save. These people are in lock step with the MAGA bots on the issue:
- Rules (only when I want them),
- Violence (excusable if the target is right),
- Democracy (They’re trying to steal it so lets throw it in the garbage before they can).
Don’t confuse a lot of upvotes with a popular opinion, it is trivial to make vote boosting bots on Lemmy.
If you are in the US, these people pushing this violent rhetoric are not on your side and are trying to push us into the same chaos as the MAGA forces.
You can have the national guard follow and chaperone ICE. There are no laws that say you must allow federal agents to break the law in front of you. They should be arrested when witnessing them violate the constitution.
This is an extremely egregious and dishonest comment. You are ironically waxing poetic about the law that the current admin has torn to shreds with the help of this lawless force that everyone else actually wants to stop. Let’s take a look here:
- Yes, we have to change the rules. It’s actually very rare that oppressive laws are overturned through entirely legal means. “I can kidnap, torture, and kill people if the state says it’s okay” is not the same as “Holy shit suspend that immediately I don’t care if it’s against the rules to do so”.
- Yes, violence is excusable if the target is committing heinous acts of wanton violence. We shouldn’t finger-wag murderers
- This goes back to point one, if your ““democracy”” allows for people to be violently oppressed like this, it is a total farce, and NEEDS to be entirely revamped.
You are, painfully obviously, someone who cares more about “stability” and “order” (dude just let the ruling class brutalize people every now and then, don’t rock the boat too hard) than any sense of actual justice and safety. Stop defending literal politicians, who INTENTIONALLY put themselves in this situation and BLOCK anyone actually willing to help stop this madness, while you encourage the already-oppressed masses to take on more trauma with far fewer resources. Note how you don’t even end your comment with any call to action like mutual aid, just “lalala these frustrated netizens are fake people block your ears!!”, fix this
Or just hand over your voter rolls https://bsky.app/profile/chrismurphyct.bsky.social/post/3md7idhl3mc23
Or what?
…or he’ll ask nicely, again !
That’s it — You really upset the entire Democrat party! Now. They’ll write a strongly written letter. And threaten to maybe only fund 90% or ICE operations!
use his SPED son as a prop.
It’s time to your own militias for self defense Minnesota et al.
Maybe if he says it enough times they’ll leave. Or maybe he should enforce the law in his state.
he knows trump wants to declare martial law. and he knows trump could have him and his entire family murdered with one phone call. everyone’s waiting for someone to step up and show some leadership against fascism, and if it ever does, it’s definitely not going to be someone in public office
Then what the fuck is this guy even for?
to make it look like there’s someone in charge who gives a rat’s ass about you. that’s usually fine–but not when a fascist con man rapist sack of shit is president. it doesn’t matter how many innocent citizens are murdered–walz will do nothing beyond complaining about it .
We’re kinda at the do nothing and be murdered or do something and then maybe get killed for it stage.
Starting to seem like trying is the better option
I mean on the other hand, Trump kind of does want violent resistance to spring up so provide the Reichstag burning he’s been waiting for to amplify the cracking down. I mean, they kinda already had the Charlie Kirk shooting, and he kind of already can institute martial law whenever (it’s not constitutional but neither has been a single thing he’s done lately), and martial law won’t really lead to anything on its own anyway… I dunno, let’s keep resisting in effective ways, making ICE’s life hell psychologically so they loathe their jobs and go home.
Sometimes it’s better to die on your feet rather than your knees.
Talk the talk.
If we really honestly can’t figure out a better plan than to get our little glocks and go plink at em, then okay. But we’d have to be a whole lot dumber than I think we are.
The Vietnamese did it and they were trapped in a cave with a bunch of scrap metal.
I’m all ears on how your going to reason with might makes right peole to give up their power
Um, elections and proper application of the law.
Everyone here is so up their own butt about how it’s all corrupt and everything’s over man (after shitting on Harris for five months straight) but that’s the right way to do it.
If you just need to murder some brownshirts and want to take the consequences, then that’s always an option. It’s just not the best option. It’s not even a good option.
The elections they’re talking about canceling and the rule of law that they are completely ignoring.
So while you’re waiting for that to work the rest of us need to figure out how to actually get something done.
Um, how many more need to get murdered by the government before you come up with something even the slightest bit more effective than “sit on our asses and keep getting murdered”?
We’re long past the third box of liberty, which (barring whatever incredible plan you’re working on) leaves us with either the fourth box, or just accept people being murdered.
So what we’ve been doing for decades is your answer
If the money is corrupting all players and steering the agenda, why not go after it? When we strike directly at agents of force, then we are directly attacking family and friends of a multitude of others, including of folks that may be trying to reconcile things. It will rile up his base into murder frenzy. Many undecided (dummies) will get swept up in the frenzy, because they’ll defer thinking to others around them. The rabid base have few relationships with their oligarch masters.
Lobotomize their think tanks.
Cut out the tongues of their media propagandists.
Bring any and all levels of direct action against the class that is causing this.
and he knows trump could have him and his entire family murdered with one phone call.
Yes, [REDACTED] brought up the Hortman assassination a propos of nothing on social media, and within 12 hours, Walz dropped out of the governor’s race quite unexpectedly. That was my first thought, that the regime has made its threat clear to him.
We have a federal government that is using mob/cartel tactics to terrorize people into submission.
This is not okay.
I think he should never have run. It would have been an unprecedented 3rd term.
These people literally ran for office specifically to represent the people. They shouldn’t be shy about putting things on the line
Unfortunately, Democrats have done nothing to build any forces loyal to democracy. They supported racist and violent cops that are loyal to Republicans, and those cops almost certainly won’t follow orders to arrest ICE agents. If anything they’re just going to collaborate, like they already have despite it technically being illegal. National Guard might be better, maybe, but they’re probably just going to help ICE suppress the protestors.
Who would he call upon to enforce the law?
The big myth that nobody ever even tries to dispel in politics is that police (of any type) operate under democratic control.
They never have, and until qualified immunity is snuffed out, they never will.
Elected officials (outside of the president…or hey, wait a second, couldn’t Walz pardon himself for state crimes?!) do not have such an immunity. So, the “orders” that the elected officials give police are basically suggestions, and that is how they receive and follow (or don’t follow) them.
Police in US is pretty much an organized crime group. If a politician threatens their status they all will simply go on strike. Reminds of when de Blasio supported protests against police killings and every cop turned his back on him during his speech.
Wonder if it would work to declare a state of emergency and mobilize the MN national guard to safeguard civilians? If they are already deployed can the president deploy them?
They’ve already been mobilized. They’re guarding the Whipple Concentration Camp.
He needs to click his heels three times first. That’s why it’s not working.
Got downvoted for claiming all he and other democrats were going to do was angrily Tweet.
They angrily Tweeted and made phone calls.
How surprising.
he’s a coward. “oh but they’ve likely threatened his life and his familiy” ok then immediately step down and have someone else jump in that is willing to take the bullet for the people.
Someone, anyone, at this point needs to step up and NOT be afraid to do whatever it takes to defend and protect US citizens from nazis.
No politician will save us. Only you and your local community working together can.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for an even longer General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
I’d also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.
We, as US citizens need to protect each other from these Nazis!
This is LITERALLY what the second amendment is for
Apparently it’s illegal to open carry in that state. No wonder ICE goes there. Come to Oklahoma were we have the right to walk the streets with an AR 15, bet fuckers won’t be killing us in the streets. Fucking cowards. If Waltz wasn’t Fucking coward he pass an EO authorizing people of Minnesota to do the same.
Look at you ragebaiting with shit for facts:
Brian O’Hara, the chief of the Minneapolis Police Department, said that Mr. Pretti was an American citizen with no criminal record, and that he had a valid firearms permit. Under Minnesota law, citizens can legally carry a handgun in public, without concealment, if they have a permit.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti-timeline.html
Look at all your Walz hate, when he’s actually standing firm and doing what I’d expect a good governor to do. I’m guessing you don’t know about the voter lists, being uninterested in the fights people actually are winning.
There’s zero reason for ICE to come to Oklahoma, since you’re already on your knees to Trump. He’s only going after those who are actually resisting him.
Gun control is a whole can of worms, there’s places where it works, there’s place where it doesn’t, there’s different kinds of cities and also rural area and just… eh this isn’t really the angle you should engage this topic from imo, even if I agree we should self-defensively arming leftists in general.
Don’t know you, but if you are American, what are you waiting for?
Shut up. When are you going out there? Problem with my fellow Americans, they always look for a handful of people to do what everyone else won’t. But I guess that’s what representative democracy conditions you to do.
Remember, there are a lot of foreign antagonists here. Accounts are free and you can make as many as you want. I’ll let you guess who has incentive to make many of them.
And then there are others who get convinced and just repeat those talking points.
Idk half of these agitators could be ICE themselves.
It’s why I keep reminding people that we cannot fight on their terms. They believe in warfare that is a battlefield that they can control.
Not a maze where everything and everyone is a threat.
They have the weapons. Sooting one or two would be fighting on their terms. We should fight on our own terms, with the moral high ground, instead.
Notice that is not what I said. The morale high ground is what we have been doing, and what we want to keep doing.
We do not give them a battlefield. We make their lives a living hell of paranoia.
so far that hasnt work at all, and it wont work in the future, if all your going to do is do isolated protests and short planned strikes.
If I lived in Minneapolis, I would step up just to grind your nose into the shit you just took. Stop capitulating. It’s weak.
Another toothless message. What a joke. Trump is going to invoke the Insurrection Act regardless of what you do. At least protect your damn citizens from cold-blooded federal jackboots!
he likely got the same orders that schumer and jefferies got, not to get in the way of ice. behind close doors.
Using the cold-blooded state jackboots? Where’s the force that would side with protestors strongly enough to go up against ICE?
If they push hard enough the citizens of MN will engage in asymmetric warfare like every other occupied group. The IRA, Palestinians, Vietnamese, Iraqis, etc. It’s the ultimate way to deal with militarily superior occupying forces. I can see IEDs blowing these federal thugs to the moon.
also includes doxxing, and hacking thier personal info and releasing it.
I hope our elite furry hacker friends are on the case. Never made enemies of the furries.
Americans are complacent. Part of it is living paycheck to paycheck, and part of it is that the bread and circuses have quite a few psychological tricks and chemical boosts to make them much more addictive than anything the romans could have dreamed of.
That “push hard” bit will need to be as extreme as the bombing campaign against the vietnamese was in order to get any action.
closest thing is we are basically like russia, thier population is so pacified they arnt going to fight back against he regime. thats how putin has been using force without resistance internally.
Walz said he spoke with President Trump’s chief of staff, Susie Wiles, twice this morning.
Chickenshit coward can’t even talk on the phone with Walz. What a traitorous cunt.
“First request was to get her people out of there, to get these federal agents out of there,” Walz said. “They were going to cause more chaos. And second call is, with no uncertain terms, that we will investigate this. We will not be stonewalled.”
The governor said he believes federal agencies “cannot be trusted to lead this investigation.”
“The state will handle it, period,” he said.
Power to the motherfucking people
Just think, if we voted harder we could have had this feckless blubbering sad sack as the vice president.
Woulda been so much worse right /s
The only thing worse than voting for who you don’t want and winning is voting for who you dont want and still losing.
Walz could call the national guard to protect the protesters
He called them to help the police. “With what?” is the obvious question.
Prventing ICE from speeding into a neighborhood, murdering bytanders and speeding off again with the whole of the narrative in their control. I’m guessing.
If he had balls he’d arrest them
It sounds like the federal government can move cases involving federal law enforcement agents performing their duties to federal court.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442
28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted
(a) A civil action or criminal prosecution that is commenced in a State court and that is against or directed to any of the following may be removed by them to the district court of the United States for the district and division embracing the place wherein it is pending:
(1) The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.
I think — and I may be wrong — that in a case in federal court, it’d be up to federal prosecutors to prosecute. I don’t know if the Trump administration actually has to prosecute them in that scenario.
Not something that I’ve read up on before, though. I imagine that there are probably articles out there with various lawyers chiming in.
searches more
https://poracldf.org/blog/supremacy-clause-immunity-for-federal-officers/
In short, subjecting federal officers to state criminal sanctions for carrying out their federally appointed duties could make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the federal government to function. Even the most dedicated federal servant would be reluctant to do his job conscientiously if he knew it could mean prison time in the state penitentiary. Seth P. Waxman, What Kind of Immunity? Federal Officers, State Criminal Law, and the Supremacy Clause, 112 Yale L.J. 2195, 2230-31 (2003).4
In carving out the contours to the federal immunity defense, the courts have established a two-part requirement, adopting in part the Neagle language: “a state court has no jurisdiction if (1) the federal agent was performing an act which he was authorized to do by the laws of the United States and in (2) performing that authorized act, the federal agency did no more than was necessary and proper for him to do.” Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Long, 837 F.2d 727 (6th Cir. 1988).
Significantly, in analyzing the second “necessary and proper” factor, particularly in the context of an agent acting under exigencies, the courts have applied a broad view of the reasonableness of the conduct, focusing “on the intent of the officer and not the actual legality of his action.” Colorado v. Nord, 377 F. Supp. 2d 945, 951 (D. Col. 2005) (emphasizing “a federal officer is still entitled to immunity when he acts in good faith within the general scope of his duties as he understands them;” id. at 950); Clifton v. Cox, 549 F.2d 722, 728 (9th Cir. 1977) (federal officer seeking immunity need not show that his action “was, in fact, necessary or in retrospect justifiable, only that he reasonably thought it to be”). Just as Neagle involved a murder prosecution, the nature of the state prosecution is not the controlling factor; rather, the only consideration is the intent of the officer in enforcing his federal responsibilities. As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes emphasized, “even the most unquestionable and most universally applicable of state laws, such as those concerning murder, will not be allowed to control the conduct of a marshal of the United States acting under and in pursuance of the laws of the United States.” Johnson v. Maryland, 254 U.S. 51, 56-57 (1920).
As five Ninth Circuit judges agree, not only is the federal immunity provision construed broadly but great leeway is given to a federal agent, so long as the agent is not acting with an evil intent: “when the federal agent is acting reasonably within the broad contours of official duty, and without malice, the courts have employed the Supremacy Clause to protect the agent from prosecution.” Idaho v. Horiuchi, 253 F.3d 359 (9th Cir.) (en banc), vacated as moot, 266 F.3d 979 (9th Cir. 2001) (Hawkins, dissenting).
looks further
Okay, it sounds — and this is just from the phrasing in an article that’s arguing in favor of state charges for one of the ICE situations — like state prosecutors can prosecute even in the case that the prosecution is moved to federal court:
https://prospect.org/2026/01/07/ice-agents-can-be-charged-with-murder/
The history of state prosecutions of federal officials goes back to the War of 1812, when some New England states used state statutes to prosecute federal customs officers who seized goods that were under a trade embargo. Often, they are used to resist a federal law that states don’t like, such as the Fugitive Slave Act.
But numerous states have indicted, charged, and arrested federal law enforcement officers for conduct that exceeded their official duties. In 1898, Virginia charged a federal tax collector posse with shooting and killing horses and cattle during a shootout. The federal posse claimed they were ambushed while attempting to collect taxes.
More to the point, in Findley v. Satterfield (1877), Castle v. Lewis (1918), Oregon v. Wood (1920), Smith v. Gilliam (1922), Maryland v. Soper (1926), and many more, states alleged that federal officers committed murder or attempted murder while engaged in law enforcement activity. Almost always, the federal response was that they were performing federal duties, that they acted in self-defense, or both. Often, these cases were removed to federal court, but the state prosecutors maintained the case. (Federal officers have the right to move cases to federal court, but not the unlimited right; they have to assert some plausible federal defense to the charges.)
Citizens are also constitutionally entitled to refuse entry to government agents who don’t have a warrant signed by a judge. ICE is blatantly ignoring that fact with the full blessing of the federal government. Laws are not being followed. Making a legal argument in the face of that kind of situation is pointless. You do what is in your power to do and let history judge the result. Call in the guard and force them to spring the “trap” we all know is coming. At least then it will be absolutely clear to everyone what is happening.
He can’t arrest them anymore than you can.
He can arrest them, and have them indicted. The feds would take the case and the DOJ would defend. They would ultimately have to prove they were performing their duties to a federal judge.
Laws and rules don’t matter any more
Oh what relief! That will get them out!
What do you expect him to do, walk down there and physically push all of the multiple thousands of them out by himself?
He is the chief executive of an entire state with 50,000 employees across 100 state agencies, including police and national guard units. His FUCKING JOB is to protect the people of his state,
so far he hasnt done anything, and just had empty words about “not doing anything to stop ice”
Use the national guard. If that isn’t an option call for volunteers to get them out. People are chomping at the bit to deal with these motherfuckers.
Use the national guard.
He’s not using them to deal with ICE. He’s using them to suppress riots.
Yeah, that’s what he’s been doing.
That isn’t why he called them in.
Talk is cheap, let’s see some ACTION
Such as
American citizens always look to others to do what they won’t. Useless
They are literally talking about Walz. A supposed representative of the people.
Exactly. It’s like these people assume I have the same power and status as THE STATE GOVERNOR 🤦♀️
Do not rely on these enabling, feckless democrats to save you. They’ve had years to prepare for this and have done nothing. Well, not nothing…they voted to increase ICE funding every single year.
Minneapolis was able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people without the help of Dems. Most of the Dems are paid for by AIPAC, the rest have been called out on their bluffs … Begging trump to do anything is the kind of narcissistic shit he loves to hear. They 👏 will 👏 not 👏 help 👏 you
All they have is the courts. But laws and court rulings only mean something if trump abides by them, which he doesn’t.
if you saw how they voted recently in the HOuse, they arnt even representing thier districts anymore.
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Tl;dr: stop voting for genocidaires
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to
make it close.— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine.
Oh no! You’ve blamed the feckless twats who fucked us over instead of the candidate who was not beloved by the proletariat! Now we’re gonna get downvoted! Oh the bourgeoise!
