Do we really remember him, though? We have a name and a complaint, and nothing else. But what effcts of his rippled down through time?
The world at large remembers our actions, even if small. Imagine we never knew about how close we got to nuclear war way back when; would it be weird to say that our human experience still “remembers”?
And hey, I’d rather be forgotten as an individual than remembered for being horrible. Anybody who would choose otherwise should be likewise remembered for when they were strung up by an angry mob.
Arguably Jesus is the most well-known ancient figure in the western world (assuming he actually did exist) and pretty much all he did during his life was being nice to people
I don’t think anyone doubts that Jesus was a historical figure?
Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, and the idea that Jesus was a mythical figure has been consistently rejected by the scholarly consensus as a fringe theory.
But anyway I mostly agree with you. “Heroes” are something that cultures invent to lift up whatever it is that in that moment they want to espouse as being good. I wanted to make a point referencing the enormous differences in which people or quotes get mentioned & encouraged now vs. a year ago by political leaders in the USA, but that would run afoul of Rule 8 in this community so we’ll have to keep it superficial: what gets remembered over time is what is beneficial to cultures to want to remember.
Which makes Jesus an extremely pivotal point in history, e.g. overturning millennia of oppression of women (“husbands, submit yourselves to your wives…” - and vice versa too, so a more equal partnership even among differing roles like care-giver and bread-winner), which of course was spread along with Rome as its technology (e.g. roads & waterworks) also spread.
Not that I’m advocating being a dick, but very few if any persons from antiquity are remembered for being kind. Case in point: Ea Nasir
Do we really remember him, though? We have a name and a complaint, and nothing else. But what effcts of his rippled down through time?
The world at large remembers our actions, even if small. Imagine we never knew about how close we got to nuclear war way back when; would it be weird to say that our human experience still “remembers”?
And hey, I’d rather be forgotten as an individual than remembered for being horrible. Anybody who would choose otherwise should be likewise remembered for when they were strung up by an angry mob.
Arguably Jesus is the most well-known ancient figure in the western world (assuming he actually did exist) and pretty much all he did during his life was being nice to people
I don’t think anyone doubts that Jesus was a historical figure?
-source: Wikipedia Historical Jesus
But anyway I mostly agree with you. “Heroes” are something that cultures invent to lift up whatever it is that in that moment they want to espouse as being good. I wanted to make a point referencing the enormous differences in which people or quotes get mentioned & encouraged now vs. a year ago by political leaders in the USA, but that would run afoul of Rule 8 in this community so we’ll have to keep it superficial: what gets remembered over time is what is beneficial to cultures to want to remember.
Which makes Jesus an extremely pivotal point in history, e.g. overturning millennia of oppression of women (“husbands, submit yourselves to your wives…” - and vice versa too, so a more equal partnership even among differing roles like care-giver and bread-winner), which of course was spread along with Rome as its technology (e.g. roads & waterworks) also spread.
Be nice to people, be a dick to fig trees