I disagree. The important thing is for republicans to not win anything. Without them and yes the dems would split into a more properly left and right party rather than a big tent not coocoo crazy say they are right but would be recognized by their ancestors just 30 years back party. Right now its a sane vs crazy vote. Until we eliminate the crazy we won’t make progress on left vs right.
Easy. States that disapprove of unconstitutional laws and EOs can declare that they’re null and void in their states.
Don’t think that the states are completely powerless against whoever occupies the office of President. They’ve nullified laws before, they can do it again.
States have their own legislatures. What you’re proposing is up to them. Federal legislators don’t have anything to do with state policy, they can only enact federal policy
Are you suggesting defederation? I view that as a last resort. Despite all the threats to electoral integrity, the election hasn’t been stolen yet. There’s still a chance to save this ship.
New England or the West Coast would be fine after a dissolution of the Union of States, but what about all the disadvantaged people in deep red states? You want to just leave them behind?
No, I propose the thing that is less serious than secession, but will probably piss off the federal government: nullification. Basically, the state agrees to stay in the Union, but the state will no longer follow federal laws that they deem unconstitutional.
Take California, for instance. Suppose they are done with Trump’s shit. The California Supreme Court rules that Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional, causing the tariffs to be voided in the state. While this is guaranteed to piss off Trump, it is likely that it would restore some faith with America’s allies. It might even give a boost to commerce that goes through California.
And remember: the exact situation I describe happened before in the US, and it ended peacefully. There were concerns of a civil war, but Congress passed some things to placate the state engaging in nullification. The same could be done today.
I agree that states should nullify as much of this unconstitutional and oppressive federal policy as they’re able. It’ll probably bring retaliation, impounded funds, a swarm of ICEstaffel, and maybe some sham investigations into politicians. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it, but be aware of the risks.
The thing is, the feds aren’t really acting within the confines of the law. They’re not really passing much legislation for the states to nullify. Potus is ruling by decree with unconstitutional executive orders, and the mechanisms of the federal government are just falling in line. All congress has done is pass some funding packages and give tax cuts to billionaires while cutting essential social services.
States should do what they can, yeah. But the feds aren’t exactly following the law so states need to be willing and able to enforce their countermeasures.
All Kamala winning would do is delay the inevitable.
Electing a Democrat to the Presidency these days is like draining an epidermoid cyst. Electing a Republican is letting the cyst rupture.
Draining a cyst won’t get rid of it. The only way to remove a cyst for good is to cut the whole thing out.
I disagree. The important thing is for republicans to not win anything. Without them and yes the dems would split into a more properly left and right party rather than a big tent not coocoo crazy say they are right but would be recognized by their ancestors just 30 years back party. Right now its a sane vs crazy vote. Until we eliminate the crazy we won’t make progress on left vs right.
That will never happen. The elite would never allow the Democrats to achieve decades of victory, let alone split into progressive parties.
well in the meantime im not choosing crazy over not as good as I would like em to be.
That is good, because I favor socialist.
Yeah but delaying it until after I die would have been nice.
A very boomer mentality. Who cares what happens to the kids so long as things go great for you, yeah?
Yeah, things are going juuuust great for me, uh-huh. I know dark humor doesn’t always go over very well but sometimes I go for it anyway.
#BothSides, for sure. But how do YOU define “harm reduction” and “binary choice”?
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Easy. States that disapprove of unconstitutional laws and EOs can declare that they’re null and void in their states.
Don’t think that the states are completely powerless against whoever occupies the office of President. They’ve nullified laws before, they can do it again.
States have their own legislatures. What you’re proposing is up to them. Federal legislators don’t have anything to do with state policy, they can only enact federal policy
Yes, it is indeed up to them. Do you see what I’m getting at here?
Are you suggesting defederation? I view that as a last resort. Despite all the threats to electoral integrity, the election hasn’t been stolen yet. There’s still a chance to save this ship.
New England or the West Coast would be fine after a dissolution of the Union of States, but what about all the disadvantaged people in deep red states? You want to just leave them behind?
No, I propose the thing that is less serious than secession, but will probably piss off the federal government: nullification. Basically, the state agrees to stay in the Union, but the state will no longer follow federal laws that they deem unconstitutional.
Take California, for instance. Suppose they are done with Trump’s shit. The California Supreme Court rules that Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional, causing the tariffs to be voided in the state. While this is guaranteed to piss off Trump, it is likely that it would restore some faith with America’s allies. It might even give a boost to commerce that goes through California.
And remember: the exact situation I describe happened before in the US, and it ended peacefully. There were concerns of a civil war, but Congress passed some things to placate the state engaging in nullification. The same could be done today.
I agree that states should nullify as much of this unconstitutional and oppressive federal policy as they’re able. It’ll probably bring retaliation, impounded funds, a swarm of ICEstaffel, and maybe some sham investigations into politicians. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it, but be aware of the risks.
The thing is, the feds aren’t really acting within the confines of the law. They’re not really passing much legislation for the states to nullify. Potus is ruling by decree with unconstitutional executive orders, and the mechanisms of the federal government are just falling in line. All congress has done is pass some funding packages and give tax cuts to billionaires while cutting essential social services.
States should do what they can, yeah. But the feds aren’t exactly following the law so states need to be willing and able to enforce their countermeasures.