In Hungary the law was called KMK short for Közveszélyes Munka Kerülés, English term is “Social Parasitism”, but direct translation is something like “work avoidance damgerous to the public”. All soviet aligned countries had similar laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
Holodomor happened 1932-33, more than 10 years after the establishment of USSR.
Your definition of unemployed differed wildly from the state’s definition. E.g. writers, artists who doesn’t had a day to day job in the classical sense were also considered unemployed if they didn’t agree fully with the state. What if the state said the only job you can get is in a stone mine in Siberia? This was also used frequently for opposition people. They couldn’t get a job in their profession, so they had to choose between a not fitting job and between prison. Is this what you want?
About famines. You compare it to tsarist Russia, and I can’t find any notable one from the 19th century. I wouldn’t compare it to pre-industrial revolution as it was a totally different times. And why don’t you compare it from the list of olympic medals?
And you wrote “No one was starving” then “I literally said one famine”… Please, at least be consistent. You brought up the topic of starvation.
I fucking love when westerners tell me that my own experiences I lived through are fake. Wtf man, I had a relative who couldn’t work as journalists because they took part in the 1956 revolution, and he had to work as swineherd his whole life later. He died some years ago.
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
That’s just one famine. I wouldn’t count the 1921-22 famine to any system as that’s was because of the civil war, not from the mismanagement.
In Hungary the law was called KMK short for Közveszélyes Munka Kerülés, English term is “Social Parasitism”, but direct translation is something like “work avoidance damgerous to the public”. All soviet aligned countries had similar laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
Holodomor happened 1932-33, more than 10 years after the establishment of USSR.
I literally said one famine under soviet Russia and that was “holodomor”
I am aware of such laws, no one wants to be unemployed.
Your definition of unemployed differed wildly from the state’s definition. E.g. writers, artists who doesn’t had a day to day job in the classical sense were also considered unemployed if they didn’t agree fully with the state. What if the state said the only job you can get is in a stone mine in Siberia? This was also used frequently for opposition people. They couldn’t get a job in their profession, so they had to choose between a not fitting job and between prison. Is this what you want?
About famines. You compare it to tsarist Russia, and I can’t find any notable one from the 19th century. I wouldn’t compare it to pre-industrial revolution as it was a totally different times. And why don’t you compare it from the list of olympic medals?
And you wrote “No one was starving” then “I literally said one famine”… Please, at least be consistent. You brought up the topic of starvation.
No, writers and artists had state guilds in which they worked and were paid by the state for their work. Stop this baseless fear mongering
Id rather work in a mine than to keep slacking and excepting free food.
Whats exactly the problem in this model?
Pre soviet russia famines: 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1891–1892 2. Famines mentioned in this article like 1897, early 1900s and 1921-22 famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
I said no ine was starving on daily basis. I expect people to understand that
I fucking love when westerners tell me that my own experiences I lived through are fake. Wtf man, I had a relative who couldn’t work as journalists because they took part in the 1956 revolution, and he had to work as swineherd his whole life later. He died some years ago.
That’s just one famine. I wouldn’t count the 1921-22 famine to any system as that’s was because of the civil war, not from the mismanagement.
meanwhile what happens under capitalism if your reporting threatens the system:
https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/how-the-eu-is-using-anti-russia-sanctions-to-criminalise-journalism
I am not a westerner lol.
Multiple famines are listed in 2nd link. Death via starvation often occurred without famine too.
I have one friend whose geandparents say they lived happy lives in USSR and after it dissolved many low level workers lost their jobs or died
“My experience” “My relative” So it wasn’t your experience at all, just a story you heard
You literally said “no one was starving” though
Damn bro I thought ppl here understood english, sry my bad
Please explain English to me in a way that “no one was starving” and “there was one famine” aren’t contradictory
Ok my bad Ive heard about that famine so many times I forgot to write it. I hope ppl get my point tho
Yes, your point is to forget things that don’t lend themselves to your argument.
I am absolutely talking about soviet famine and that doesnt change strength of my argument anyways
You are now, after being called out.