All going according to plan it seems.

  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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    7 hours ago

    Attracting? 10,000 PhDs have left the USA forever. That’s repelling. They would understand that if they had any decent scientists left.

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    Nobody is going to care until 10 years down the road when everything is even shittier and our whole society is literally falling apart and crumbling for lack of qualified engineers and the like, then people will be saying “Why didn’t people do something?”

    But something else huge and terrible will also be happening at that time, which people will be ignoring also.

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    10 hours ago

    Out of all the things Trump continues doing to destroy our place in the world, unturned, our values, this is one that may never come back

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      The big problem is the US spent 80% of the world’s entire biomedical research budget, and world governments were happy to avoid local spending.

      Now, Trump has killed all new drug pipelines for the USA, which fed a $1T local industry.

      But the rest of the world is not stepping up, they are spending 100-200x times more on fighter jets.

      Fighter jets were critical for COVID.

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        For sure the ridiculous us money for little benefit to us citizens at high us consumer cost is ridiculous. But that doesn’t change the fact that there’s been a lot of medical r&d benefitting all our lives. We want that to continue and the us should prefer that it be here

        But the thing is it’s across all science and technology. US has benefitted from brain drain from other parts of the world, some of the best scientists coming here for the best rewards. That’s a good thing (for the US).

        Reversing that brain drain is a bad thing (for the US) and this is a scenario where a very few individals can make a huge difference. If we don’t have a critical mass of researchers to become a desirable destination and we don’t have research opportunities, and yes if we don’t have opportunities for rewards, the brain drain flows the other way. That’s great for the countries retaining more of their top researchers, but bad for the researchers if there are less rewards and bad for everyone if it results in less opportunity. and this is a people thing so an indidual staying away affects other individuals and new researchers see which way the brains are draining and a poor reputation for supporting science and research may not be overcome in these peoples lives

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          th e the fact that there’s been a lot of medical r&d benefitting all our lives.

          WAS. It’s over. NIH is gone.

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    16 hours ago

    Sad but expected. Also not described here are the brain drain into PE and VC to fund a slew of AI startups that will likely go nowhere for their new chatbot or drug designer agent.

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    As an American, I couldn’t care less. Our taxes fund this research, and yet we receive zero benefit from it. The only people that benefit are the wealthy and citizens of other western countries. Fuck 'em.

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      You’ve been voting for that kind of system for decades now.

      Meanwhile, the civilised world has free healthcare where we pay with our taxes so everyone can benefit from research.

      But don’t worry, research will keep happening, just not at home for you.

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        I haven’t been voting for this shit. Typical smug ass Europeans. You’re just as bad as white America, going the same way internally, and commit just as many crimes. You aren’t better, you’re just the drummer.

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          You are right, voting isn’t the right word. You’ve let this happen by not keeping your politicians accountable. You’ve let corporations legally shove money into the pockets of politicians so they would work in the interest of the corporations not the people. The government could easily make that funding benefit you, they simply don’t because you let them get away with it. This has been decades in the making because generations of Americans have let politics slip.

          You can call Europeans smug all you want but it’s not our shit that smells. You, the Americans, have let this happen, not us.