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  • I know from experience its just not just a couple of months if we are talking Debian stable.

    Here is what chat gpt is saying, even though the versions is already outdated:

    Debian Stable lags behind Arch Linux by roughly 1–3 years on most core packages:

    Breakdown by category:

    Linux kernel~6–18 months behindRolling, latest~1 year

    GCC / LLVM / Clang~1–2 major versions behindLatest stable1–2 years

    Python / Node / Go1–3 versions behindLatest stable1–2 years

    GNOME / KDE / XFCE One major release behindCurrent1–1.5 years

    SystemdUsually current − 1Current6–12 months glibc / coreutilsOften within ~1 yearCurrent6–12 months

    Security patchesBackported rapidlyUpstream latest0 delay on fixes

    In practice:

    Debian 12 (Bookworm, mid-2023) ships kernel 6.1, GCC 12, GNOME 43.

    Arch (today) has kernel 6.11, GCC 14, GNOME 47.

    So Debian Stable is about 2 years behind Arch overall, though security backports mean it’s not “outdated” for production.


  • Yeah I remember that. It was a very rare event though. For Linux users that want the latest versions, this will happen and there is no way to avoid it.

    We take risks either way. Either by using old bugs or new bugs.

    I think all apps should be much more sandboxed than they are today, but it would require a new way of writing and running apps. We have Flatpak though, its a start.




  • There isnt any bad sides, not really.

    It used to be hard to install but that is also not the case anymore.

    People think its unstable because it has the latest packages. I mean, sometimes i have had issues, sure. A few times, bluetooth stack was bugging out in the newest kernel. Another time plasma had bugs with graphics, which I reported and it was fixed just a few weeks later.

    Nothing that broke the entire system. Just small issues.

    But this is much better than running Debian which has very old packages, full of old bugs. They used to be a full generation behind in plasma for example, and using a kernel that was over a year old. Those things leads to poor hardware support, getting bugs solved over a year ago and so on.

    I really dont understand Debian users because ive never experienced how an updated system is worse than a very old one.