The internet runs on ads.

Ad companies pay for all the “free” popular social media we use. Ad companies dictate to social media what their clients want their ads to be associated with, not associated with, and drive media of all kinds to push inflammatory and click-bait content that drives engagement and views. It’s why you indirectly can’t swear, talk about suicide, drugs, death, or violence. Sure, you technically can unless ToS prohibits it, but if companies tell their ad hosts they don’t want to be associated with someone talking about guns, the content discussing guns gets fewer ads, fewer ads = less revenue, low-revenue gets pushed to the bottom.

So lowbrow political rage bait, science denialism, and fake conspiracies drives people to interact and then gets pushed to the top because it gets ad revenue. Content that delves into critical thought and requires introspection or contemplation languishes.

Ads are destroying society because stupid and rage sells views.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldOP
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    Capitalism does play a part, but it’s more the lack of hard rules to curb it rather than the economic method itself. You want to make an even broader claim, just say “greed.”

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      Couple of things that are either a definition, obvious, or directly observable in literally every capitalist nation in history:

      • the defining characteristic of capitalism is the private ownership of businesses
      • the ability to own a business can buy you influence on the electorate legally, through owning ad agencies, newspapers, think tanks, online influencers
      • owning a business can buy you influence on politicians legally, by hiring lobbyists, by threatening to take your business elsewhere, by promising politicians cushy jobs after their tenure, by contributing to their campaign through fundraisers, PACs, etc
      • this influence gives you the power to change laws and regulations to your benefit
      • in particular, it allows you to shape laws to benefit you financially, making the actions in point 2 and 3 easier to do
      • in particular, it allows you to get rid of laws restricting you to do the things in points 2 and 3
      • it is in the best interest of politicians to deregulate the latter parts of point 3
      • as such, a capitalist system where only parts or even none of point 2 and 3 are allowed, has a natural tendency towards a system where they are fully allowed

      Leaving all other economic systems aside for a moment*, the idea that this is not a direct and natural consequence of capitalism doesn’t seem to hold water, both on a theoretical and an empirical level.

      • And we do this because, analogously, arguing your right hand isn’t bleeding because your left hand is makes no sense. Capitalism can be studied in its own right. What’s more is that the number of alternative systems is infinite, and I’m sure lemmy has a character limit.
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      This was an understandable perspective when we had those regulations in the USA, but since FDR’s New Deal, the Republicans have walked back practically every law and regulation we had to curb the greed of Capitalism. This is the natural tendency of Capitalism

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        That is the tendency of people. Any system is open to exploitation and greed. The restrictions on growing exploitation are only as good as the humans enforcing them, and people suck. There’s always people trying to force cracks in a system to benefit themselves, and some tribal influences that will allow them to do it.

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          You are 100% correct. People just want to believe that Capitalism is uniquely corrupt. When literally all of human history has seen us exploit and greedily destroy every social and economic system humans have ever engineered. Now including capitalism.

          Good regulations prevent critical exploitation, which is why European capitalism is still functional and looked on positively despite still being capitalism.

          Only through regulations can an economic system be maintained. US Capitalism is failing because it has been steadily deregulated for the last 40 years.

          So yes, Capitalism is poison. But so is blowfish unless you cut it right. Every system we’ve ever built is also poisoned for failure unless it’s always cut down and regulated to its basics.

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            European capitalism is still functional and looked on positively despite still being capitalism

            I’m really sorry to burst this bubble, but as a European, no. Capitalism is devouring us from the inside out. Haven’t you seen that basically every EU nation has a surging far right?

            Capitalism is not uniquely capable of being exploited more than the systems which it replaced, but you’re wrong that it can be regulated. Yes, regulations can be passed, but they cannot be maintained. Capitalism will inevitably trend towards fascism as a matter of design. It is just human nature.

            This is why we need a system that acknowledges the reality of human nature. That’s why I’m an anarchist. It’s the only system which really accounts for the fact that humans will abuse power.

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              Compare Europe’s surge of Far Right to the US’s. They’re handling it a lot better and passing regulations to prevent it in the future. Even getting laws passed to regulate the total use of social media by kids.

              I’m not saying capitalism is perfect in Europe, I’m saying it’s a better example of how to regulate it into something sustainable.

              Respectfully, the biggest flaw in anarchism imo is that it’s not a system at all. It’s basically just tribalism and immediately devolves into the rule of whoevers strongest in those tribes.

              Humans are social creatures. We have literally always made societies based on expanded family dynamics and rules, as that is literally human nature. We want family and structure, and to do that we create rules that structure needs to follow for the family to survive.

              Anarchism doesn’t really work for the elderly. The sick. The disabled. Anarchism doesn’t really do anything to protect the families we create as whoever is strongest can just take what they want when they want to.

              Granted, Capitalism is horrible, but literally any system we create is doomed to become horrible and fucked up if we cannot regulate it from corruption. If we can’t prevent it from being taken over by strong opinionated assholes, it will also eventually devolve into tribalism.

              Literally the problem that needs solving is just our own dark nature. That some of us are born without the capacity to understand our social nature, and survive exclusively through exploiting it. Those people are the sociopaths that have destroyed every society we’ve ever had, including the earliest recorded ones that were basically anarchistic.

              It is within our nature to be highly social, but the few of us born without that nature only want to take from others instead of giving.

              That dual nature of humanity is something that no civilization we’ve ever built has survived.

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      This is where we disagree. What are the fundemental tenants of capitalism vs say, communism?

      (Just doing a thought experiment with you, in good faith)

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        Respectfully I am not willing to get into this debate. If communism worked, we’d be doing it. Unfortunately so far it seems to have incredibly weak protections against authoritarian takeover despite its overall egalitarian appeal.

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          Double respectfully back, I have to agree with the other commentor. I dont think you have a good understanding of what communism is. Which is fine. Global North countries, at the behest of the powerful elite, have made it their life’s mission to destroy communism (i wonder why). They do that while pushing Neo-Liberal ideas and agendas constantly (curioussssss).

          In your post, you have identified a symptom of capitalism. Not the cause of societal failures.

          Also, unlike saying “humans beings are naturally greedy” (which isnt true), capitalism as an economic system reinforces and rewards any greed fhat MIGHT appear in A VANISHINGLY SMALL amount of people (true sociopaths). Whereas, under communism or socialism, those sociapaths would not only be unrewarded, their entire ideology would be forsaken from establishing a foothold in power (please extrapolate to the rest of humanity).

          That said, if you dont want to talk about it, its all good baby. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk.

          (Btw, this was all in good faith. Genuinely not trying to mock or tesse you. Just being silly).

          Lmk if you ever feel like talking more

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          If communism worked, we’d be doing it.

          Oh you sweet summer child.

          Respectfully I am not willing to get into this debate.

          And this is why you believe that. Head, meet sand.

          Props for being polite about it though.

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            The assumption that I lack knowledge of alternate economic and governing systems and left them unconsidered is as insulting as your smug confidence that any other system is immune to corruption and disparity.

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      There’s no curbing capitalism. The very thesis of it requires that the most successful 1, find 2, exploit 3, lobby to lock up enough, so to “pull up the ladder behind themselves”, any and all loopholes of the legal system that allows them to get ahead.

      You can try regulating it but capitalism will always find a way around your rules.

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        I disagree. Capitalism can be curbed. The failure is greed on humanity’s part always tryong to carve out more for themselves. No system of government or economy has proven otherwise over the long term. They all eventually fail.