Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.
You should work on that then. Its a useful term and a clear demographic, and has been for almost 10 years, and I can’t think of any example in history of it being used to harass black and brown people. You’re more than welcome to provide one.
It’s used to equate normie Democratic voters with MAGA. It’s especially cruel and disingenuous coming from someone who helped the MAGAs defeat Democrats and put us where we are now.
I understand partly what @tropicaldingdong@lemmy.world is trying to say. White men in particular won’t participate in protective voting. It doesn’t matter how much you try to convince them. Some will, but as a demographic, no.
What bugs me the most with leftists like this is they don’t understand how unsafe people feel under Trump. I used to watch Vaush. I thought he was safe. But then he went on a rant on how he “couldn’t understand why people cling to the Democrats.” He doesn’t understand that people cling to them out of fear.
A lot of us want better, but how do they expect us to leave the only thing keeping us somewhat safe, when they don’t even see our fear?
Yes, in other words, Democratic voting fascists.
Democrats who simultaneously want their perspectives to be the only perspectives catered to in elections, and yet also argue they’ll vote for anyone or anything the party apparatus serves up to them. They support kids in cages. They want better training and body cams for ICE. They have no real issue with Trumps foreign or domestic policies, and are mostly just annoyed that Trump isn’t going through the appropriate permission structures to enact them.
They are why we lost 2024. And its out there now. Everyone whose perspective worth two wiffs of stinky piss gets it.
All I’m doing here is presenting the reality of voter behavior. You want voters to behave differently than they do. But thats not how voters work. You can want them to be smarter, to vote more however you would like them to, but in reality, the world we actually to make decisions around, voters don’t do that. And we knew, then, in 2023, that just telling voters that they had to vote for a candidate whose policies they didn’t support, we knew then it would lose the election.
Blue MAGA is the contingent that maintained the party in un-electable policy positions. In every election, no matter how much you might like to present it to the otherwise, there are three options: your candidate, the opposition, and the couch. And guess what? They’re already at home on the couch. Strategic voting as a game-theoretical principal falls apart when it meets the reality of voter behavior.
You have a distorted view of the average Democrat. Can I ask where you get your news?
Who has the distorted view of the average Democrat? The one who is advocating for a strategy that (in both foresight and hindsight) would have won the election, or the the one advocating for the strategy that objectively lost the election?
I would argue that the campaign had a distorted view the average Democratic voter. They lost 7.7% of their own voters from 2020 into 2024.
Where did you learn this?
Biden still allowed for family separation during deportations alongside the whole remain in Mexico thing for asylum seekers. Democrats also consistently voted in favor of giving more money to DHS. Foreign policy didn’t change much under Biden. He continued the trade war against China, Trump’s designation of Cuba as a state sponsor of terror, and unlimited support for Israel’s genocide. He also decided to keep Space Force and maintained a lack of transparency around drone strikes that Trump initiated. That’s not the end of it either. There’s a litany of other disgusting Trump policies Biden’s administration also decided to embrace.
A lot of what I listed is pretty easy to verify. It’s also not unique. Obama oversaw the expansion of the surveillance state that started under Bush. Clinton continued rolling back welfare programs just as Bush and Reagan had. This is just what politicians do. They pretend to be opposed to everything their opponents do and then when they get into office they just put a fresh coat of paint on some deeply inhuman policies.
I learned it by not living in an ahistorical vacuum. If you don’t know the context of those points, you are simply illiterate with regards to recent history.
I won’t speculate on your motivations like you do with Democrats. I’ll just say that those statements are clearly not true, and if you were secretly supporting the MAGA movement, you couldn’t be doing it any better than you are now.
You are completely asinine. Its established at this point that the only thing Harris could have done to win the election was to shift her stance on Gaza. You want to provide an excuse to Harris that actually the voters just needed to suck it up and vote for the pro-genocide candidate. the one person who could have made a different choice such that we get a different outcome.
You being media illiterate doesn’t change that. You being electorally illiterate doesn’t change that. If you provided this same excuse for either the Biden or Harris campaign from 2023-2024: you contributed to Trumps victory.