• guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip
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    17 hours ago

    Can we just ask the user: Are you in California?

    If yes: say something like “this system doesn’t support age verification and can’t be used in California” and then do nothing (even let the user try the prompt again)

    If no: make the account normally and continue the device setup

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      16 hours ago

      For this bill, “user” explicitly means “minor”. Prohibit (California) minors from using your OS in your ToC, and you don’t have to do anything at all.

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    23 hours ago

    Anyone who has installed and set up an OS knows this is both dumb and criminally dangerous.

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    We now live in an age where software controls the user, instead of the other way around. It is now an instrument of surveillance and control, instead of liberation.

    Age verification is a violation of the user’s rights of the highest order, and using “protecting children” as a justification is a disgusting and egregious hypocrisy.

    This is the end of digital privacy.

      • Prince Aster [He/They/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Don’t really know what they’re talking about. Software has existed as an industry longer than it was a community. And the industry pushed back hard on the idea of software freedom in the early days.

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          Precisely why I am questioning wuffah. I want know when, if ever, e experienced such a thing. Because from my recollection, software was always under the control of the seller.

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        Before the internet became de rigueur, more or less. So much of this kind of top-down-control culture has oozed into the PC world by showing up on phones – those always-on, internet-connected devices – first.

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            I don’t think the ownership of telecom was the important bit. It was the fact that, before 1996 or so, most PCs were not connected to the internet 100% of the time.

            The security implications of pervasive, persistent internet connections meant software vendors had genuine security reasons to push frequent updates. That situation, with vendors pushing constant changes in the name of security, wound up offering vendors a lot of influence they didn’t have before.

            This is exactly how, to choose just one familiar example, Microsoft is pushing users to have internet-validated Microsoft accounts, even to log in to their personal computers at home. “Want the security updates that come with Windows 11? You’ll have to let us watch you.” Which is just the way phones have been for longer.

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    So…how much tech will come out of silicon valley when Linus refuses to comply?

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          I think you’re talking about yourself there, bub. Just because I find shared false memory situations funny doesn’t mean I hate the folks affected by such. I want them to realize they have shared a false memory for so many years, and tackle that false memory head on, and reframe with the truth.

          Now, why in heavens sake are you implying I am a troll, and not an anarchist hoping folks wake up from authoritarian distro development? Why should Linus have a final say on how you run your devices?

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    What the fuck? I saw that Colorado wanted to implement something like this but really, how do you enforce it? Is it illegal to install Linux now? Even if you enforce it at the login for Windows, what’s to keep someone from installing a browser that doesn’t recognize the curfew?

    It’s like these motherfuckers think everyone just “goes online” with their phones and the vertical software stack those entail. And then, what about GrapheneOS?

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      Not “something like this”. AFAICT, the Colorado bill is a word-for-word clone of the California one.

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      France considers grapheneOS to be a sign of illegal activites. I am going to be spending the weekend working my new Pixel 10 on grapheneOS. I realize that some apps won’t work and I need to find workarounds for others but like Linux Mint on my desktop and laptop I will get used to it and make it do all I want it to do anyway.

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          Pretty much.

          I don’t understand how anyone cannot see that this level of privacy destruction basically invalidates all other freedoms. Anonymity and the ability to be anonymous is absolutely critical in many factors. I didn’t realize this as a kid because A: I was autistic, B: people constantly mislead me in many ways (deliberately or accidentally) that made me fail to understand its value until it was too late, and C: In many situations where I grew up they made a point that privacy was not something to be valued… and like point B, I didn’t learn how fucked up that was until I was an adult and heard other perspectives.

          I will use this one example to illustrate: grades. You know when you are in school and doing a test everyone is graded on their exams and submissions. As a kid where I grew up there was no privacy or expectation of privacy on what grade you got. They would post people’s names and the grades they got quite openly or announce who got what in class. If you were a straight A student, everyone knew it, if you were a struggling student, everyone knew that, too.

          But then I immigrated to Canada and I started university here (not my first degree, BTW), and when I was talking to people in class about their grades after our first paper, many were like ‘mind your own fucking business, dweeb!’ and I didn’t understand why. This wasn’t a piece of information anyone kept private. Even when I was watching early online media reviewers (in this case it was AtopTheFourthWall by Linkara, a comic book reviewer on YouTube) who mocked a part of a comic where students had their grades posted and said that he, as a 90s kid, knew that would not happen since lawsuits would have ensued in his school if they made grades that publicly available.

          Then I suddenly started remembering some of the bullying I got as a kid over my grades, with some (much older and not in my class kids) would yell at me and demand to know what my average was… I didn’t know what they were talking about, but no matter what answer I gave, they would explode in mocking laughter.

          Shit like that made me realize in retrospect the importance of having a lot of information secret is critical, even if that shit isn’t illegal or even particularly embarassing. What you know vs. what other people know is absolutely critical in being able to get ahead in life, stay out of trouble, or just survive.

          To give you another example: I was stalked as a teenager (a teenage boy stalked by 18+ teenage boys… yes, it happens, and it is exactly as weird as you think it is). My stalkers were really, really aggressive in following me around and watching me. While you can make the argument that they all lived fairly close to where I lived and as such the chances of running into one another was higher, you have to understand that a shitload of other kids also lived nearby and none of them bothered me. Meaning these people were actively stalking and actively spending time in paths and places that I went through on a daily basis. This was in the late 90s and the internet was non-existent, so it was 100% offline.

          One of the stalkers had a car and would frequently drive up to me and shout HEY at the top of his voice. As an autistic person I need to tell you that when I hear loud noises like that I immediately turn to look. It is an involuntary reaction on my part, and one that my parents insisted was 100% on me and all I had to do was simply not respond and they would respect that and go away (yeah right). He would also honk his horn and do other shit to get my attention. Sometimes he would insult me, other times he would demand I get in his car, other times he would ask me where I was going and what I was doing. Every time he saw me carrying something, he would offer me a ride.

          He knew EXACTLY where I would be and where I was going at the exact time of day. I was going to college prep classes and I would return by a shuttle taxi thing (not a shuttle bus. The taxi driver drove a regular car, but he drove on a set route at certain times, it got me close enough home so I used it) he would always be waiting at the spot where I get off.

          After a full year of increasingly aggressive stalking. The guy got a gang of his friends and they drove around my apartment building on a weekend just waiting for me to leave, they would drive around the block and throw rocks, bottles, and other crap they found along the way and sometimes drive swerving the car like a maniac and while blaring his horn and hollering insults at me. They just wouldn’t let up. They literally spent the entire damn day doing this. The first thing thrown at me (and the only thing that actually hit me) was an empty cassette tape box at around 9 AM that day, and by 10 PM (yes, over 13 hours!) they were STILL in the neighborhood doing this. My parents sent me on a late night errand to the store to get some stuff and it was at this point that those guys just parked their car and walked into a secluded parking lot.

          You might say, surely you knew this was a trap, right? Yes I did, and I willingly walked into it knowing it was a trap. Why? Because I goddamn furious and really, REALLY pissed off. This is someone who I knew nothing about, never initiated a single interaction, never said hello to him, never tried to get his attention first, never bothered to notice him before he noticed me, didn’t know his name, didn’t know anything about him. The only thing is that the first time I saw him at a gym (or more specifically, the staircase in the building where the gym was. He blocked my path the moment he saw me and didn’t let me continue while he was just babbling nonsense loudly and aggressively to his friend behind him who was just glaring at me the whole time… and he would interrupt my workouts in the gym to talk about how tough he was and tell me that I wasn’t something that I can fuck with. This is even though I had no fucking clue who this person was) is that it was an endless, relentless tirade of the most aggressive stalking I had ever seen or heard of in my entire life.

          The guy and his gang, total of four people, just stomped me, kicked me, spit on me dragged me by my leg, threatened to kill me, talked about him being ‘the head of the mafia’ like I believed him (I didn’t believe him, but he legit believed I believed him), and it all culminated with him saying ‘we’re friends right? Give me a hug my brother, give me a hug’ and he hugged me in a way creepier than it sounds written here. They had ripped my shirt, broken a necklace my grandmother gave me, and all in all made me never want to leave my home ever again. I was 16 at the time, and I first saw the fucker when I was 14. Given that he was driving a car in a country where you need to be at least 18 to get a learner’s permit the guy was an adult the whole time.

          There is even more details to go on with this. But here is the thing. During the entire time, the guy knew who I was, where I was living, my movements and the timing of my movements, where I went to shop, where I went to do any activity I wanted and at what times.

          You might ask… didn’t you go to the police after? The answer is I did. I had to throw an all-night temper tantrum to get my parents to take me to a police station, this is because my parents didn’t think what was happening was a big deal and I should just forget it and go to bed, telling me ‘it is just like in school. He’s comfortably in bed, why are you angry?’. To this day my father insists that I was just ‘pointlessly angry at a young man driving his car’ fully ignoring everything.

          So when I went to the police… well, it was kinda pointless. I told them only about the assault, because I didn’t know that everything else he was doing was a crime. I also had no details whatsoever on him other than a vague general description. No name, no precise whereabouts, I didn’t even note his car’s license plate number. I had NOTHING to give.

          Meanwhile, as I said, the other guy and his gang knew almost everything about me. They knew the apartment building I was living in, but they did not know what floor or what apartment number I was in. If they did know it I guarantee you, they would be waiting at the door next time and probably playing ding dong ditch at 2 AM. I should mention that the building had no locks on the entry and no security cameras and no security whatsoever, meaning there would be nothing to stop them from doing that if they chose.

          The cops did send a car to patrol the area where most of this shit happened, and that was actually enough to scare the fuckers into hiding. But they were never apprehended.

          Shit like this is one of the many reasons why I understand the power of information and why being able to remain hidden is critical. That guy was a chickenshit motherfucker, but what would happen if they were competent? What if any IDs I was forced to give online are leaked and someone used them to fake my identity and do crime? Or worse yet. What if the government decides that the shit I wrote or said when it was legal is not cool when they ban it and they want to send me to jail for it?

          It is not a world I want to live in.

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            Damn, sorry you got stalked. I actually knew some dudes that did that to another guy. I did tell them it was fucked up and they were fucking dweebs for doing it, I don’t think it ever escalated to a beating. We were all “rink rats” that hung around at the local ice rink. I was in a junior league with a couple of the guys doing the taunting (not the head goon, he was just useless). I never hung around with those assholes once they started riding around in that guy’s car.

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        Most work, they even have a list of known working bank apps. Usually it is just changing a setting in the app info to reduce exploit protection. Airline apps seem to be the worst at wanting a lot or device control.

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    At least this one only requires a dialogue box to ask you what age you are when making a user, but this is still a violation and a slippery slope.

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    Good luck with that, California.

    I can already tell you: ain’t going to happen.

    It’d be the end of Linux, anywhere, the end of your own computer.

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    People really need to bring up the idea of fake IDs when talking about this age verification crap. Not like something some people will do, but something you all should do. They want you to feel iffy about giving out fake credentials and they want people to use real names online. This idiot said as much. Don’t comply with them, lie to them.

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      While they are stupid, they are aware of what they are doing. There is no way all of this is happening without a clear agenda.

      And that agenda is the destruction of all social change and democracy. They basically want to make the internet even more stripmalled than it already is. Barring people from any online service unless it is 100% approved by them and also collect information on everyone and everything around them.

      One thing this is making me realize is just what a good thing we had. I remember people told me in the past (even early-mid 2000s) that anonymity on the internet is a myth. While kinda true even then, I had no fucking idea just how little these people would know about you and your online activities in the past. Even without a VPN and all the cookies and shit it is remarkable how much anonymity you actually had.

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    Pro 2A folks in CA: “Oh now you folks think the government is infringing on your rights?”

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    For naïve folks:
    They are implementing China&Russian law on what can and cannot be installed in electronic devices.

    For those that wish to engage me🧵
    1. I am a black anarchist: I do not comply with laws.
    2. Thus I don’t endorse states’ law regarding what you can or not do in your personal devices.
    3. This means I do not comply with your authoritarian licensing or comply with international treaties regarding who is allowed to copy what.

    If it comes to pass, LF will comply.