• perestroika@slrpnk.net
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    26 days ago

    If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.

    Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if it brings about beneficial change. There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.

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          25 days ago

          I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own

          Bullshit made-up Zionist propaganda. Even washington-based NGOs give figures well below the 10.000. Stop spreading fucking Nazi propaganda.

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            24 days ago

            I wonder what causes you to lie, when you have information available that indicates the contrary.

            Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked? Then I would understand the desperate need to support any tyrant, as long as they are against Israel.

            If I were you, I would critically examine my news sources.

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              Lmfao the Wikipedia article literally references the 7000 figure I gave you from my link, can you read?

              Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked?

              Yes, Israel has attacked people like me: with a heart and a functioning brain. Which of the two are you lacking?

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          25 days ago

          Also, if you’re literally using the same type of propaganda that Putin uses. The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion. Why are you using Putin’s tactics?

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            The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion.

            You are miserably misinformed.

            Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?

            Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.

            The casualty numbers are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes.

            At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed.

            You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. :D :D :D

            He was already invading Ukraine. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.

            His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.

            Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger.

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              But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes

              Huh, that reminds me of something. “In 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran published statistics showing that 4,037,258 Iranians were living abroad”. I wonder if the economic sanctions destroying the Iranian life have anything to do with that?

              At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine

              And how many soldiers and dissidents is the US paying? Does Iran live in isolation without US meddling and intervention? How many anti-Iranian militias are funded in the vicinity by the US? How about the literal training of Al-Qaeda leaders?

              You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022

              And the US toppled the democratically elected Mosaddeq government in Iran and reinstated the Shah as far back as 1953. Funny, we only analyze history for Ukraine? Does this fall apart for Iran?

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      26 days ago

      Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.

      I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?

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        I know the history. It’s bitter.

        Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.

        The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.

        The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.

        So, once act of malicious interference by the UK + US, plus two acts of the international community (note: of that time) not having any damns to give.