“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.”
It frustrates me beyond words that we can’t even get 51% of Americans to agree on something like this, which I think is so obvious. But, that’s where we are as a country. I suppose I need to have enough wisdom to accept that.
Operation Epstein’s Fury, use it every chance you get.
Haha you fool you activated my trap card! Go! Epstein Fury! 🫲🍊🫱
There are only 535 Americans’ opinions that might matter, and only if they have enough support to not only pass a law revoking the President’s war authority, but upholding the inevitable veto. I’m not holding my breath.
They all LOVE the war, they are doing backstrokes in it like Scrooge McDuck in his money bin.
The primary complaint is just “You didn’t tell us ahead of time so we didn’t have any time to pick out something to wear! Gawrsh!”
Nearly half say they would be more likely to support continued military action if it led to a government in Iran that is friendly to the U.S. or puts an end to the Iranian nuclear program.
The downside risks are also evident: 54% say they would be less likely to support U.S. military action if it leads to U.S. casualties. Many also indicate their support would decline if U.S. actions led to a broader conflict in the Middle East.
“If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against.”
“If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against.”
This basically describes every public opinion poll on every political topic ever
What does it matter? Looks like america cant really do anything against trump anyway
A new Reuters/Ipsos poll, conducted February 28 – March 1, finds that 43% of Americans disapprove of U.S. military strikes against Iran, while 27% approve; about three-in-ten say they are unsure.
“less than all but more americans do not not disaprove than not don’t not approven’t”
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And none of these “Americans” are going to stand up to their oppressors.
The vast majority of citizens of all countries in this entire planet are just doing the best they can to get by and nobody has ever organized a coup against a ruling party for starting foreign wars.
I know you’re mad, but wherever you’re from, however superior you feel… the issues affecting American society are going to impact yours the same way if it’s not already. This is not an “America” problem. This is a “money” problem and if your elections aren’t completely bought and sold and your middle-class placated yet, they will be.
Only one way to fix it.
Okay come on over and lead the charge, whatever it is. We have no leadership for opposition, we have no military, we have crushing debt and have to work 7 days a week broadly. We desperately need more than protests and weekend marches, but we’re about a century away from an actual armed coup or revolution because the vast, vast majority of the country is still comfortable enough that nobody wants to upset things even more and risk their razor-edge margin for life.
Again, this is not a USA problem, you would do better looking around your own country and figuring out where these weaknesses are being exploited and how they are going to attack your own social structure and atomize perspectives so that nobody wants to actually do anything about it. You’re equally vulnerable.
Everyone should stop working, march on Washington and Mar-a-Lago, and tear everyone limb from limb until it’s just a bloody mess
There are only 3 choices now that voting and protesting have proven ineffective:
Fight
Leave
Accept
Which one are you?
I am organizing community efforts and volunteering for working with progressive action groups in the states who have successfully gotten very popular progressive elected recently. (something that would not happen if there were compromised elections broadly, they just want us to think there are no more elections, they don’t have the power to cover all the states they would need to take over.)
It’s literally the most effective thing we can do, because again… “Going to Washington and tearing people limb from limb” is pretty hard when you don’t have the military, and even if it worked we would all have to live next to the majority of the country who didn’t want that because they want a functioning country and economy. The USA is HUGE, it’s not one big country with a small population who can take over when things go wrong, we are 50 individual countries connected, the federal government these states are constitutionally bound to are the people making the worst decisions, but it’s too large to just “march and hurt people” it needs procedure and electoral politics, even if the whole thing collapses and we have to start over from grassroots, state and county level rebuilding of democracy.
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Okay so you’re just a paid provocateur or astroturfer then trying to sow arguing and division. I won’t see another childish, 2-dimensional, cartoon-like message from you.
Minnesota had an election while under occupation by ICE and Border Patrol. They went out to vote while their neighbors were being shot in the street. Guess who won?
And that winning has changed what for the direction of the country? Nothing.
Protests don’t have to be about intimidating anyone. They’re important as a tool for letting other people, who might also want to resist, know that they are not alone. I’m guessing based on your phrasing that you aren’t from the US, so I’m going to assume you aren’t familiar with how things work over here. It’s a big country, in terms of landmass. The US is almost as large as the entirety of Europe (~3.5m sq. miles vs. ~3.9m sq. miles.) It’s essentially impossible to coordinate anything over that large an area, especially considering how spread out everything is. Organized protests like the No Kings events, though, present a unified front across the country, and let everyone know that people everywhere feel the same way they do, and even though they might only have immediate contact to their local community, the resistance is much larger than that.
“Standing up to our oppressors” is also more difficult than you seem to think. It’s really easy to sit there behind a keyboard in another part of the world and type big words, but it’s a lot harder to commit to an armed resistance that will, in all likelihood, result in dying. The US military is huge, and mega-funded. Local law enforcement is very likely to be on the establishment’s side. They’re all armed and don’t hesitate to quash even peaceful resistance with violence. How do you think it’s going to go when someone starts shooting back?
For a true resistance to be effective, it needs to be organized and coordinated, and that’s simply very difficult to accomplish. I certainly don’t know how to do it. Do you?
Or are you just advocating for people to go die in ineffectual attempts to assassinate government officials?
So you’re saying you can’t contemplate a way to make protests work. Got it. I agree.
Thank you for inadvertently proving my point.
I hope you have the day you’re willing to fight for.
Well, if that’s your takeaway from all that, I guess there’s very little point in trying to discuss this further with you.
My takeaway is that you haven’t convinced me. I know you feel different, but I believe you to be wrong. There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise because I have reality as evidence.
The United States is heading to an inevitable and irreversible state of decay. It’s going to make the fall of the USSR look like a party.
You can block your eyes and ears all you want…… it doesn’t make your words correct.
You offer no solutions, suggestions, or even counter-points - only negativity and nay saying. Frankly, that makes me not really give a shit about your opinion.
There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise because I have reality as evidence.
Then there’s especially no point in discussing this further with you.
You offer no solution. I have a solution but we both know you won’t agree with it… so why bring it up?
there is nothing I can say to convince you
So there is especially no point in discussing this further with you.
piss off it aint over yet.
What do you think is going to happen from here on out. Realistically.
I can’t say, it’s not good. But it’s not over either.
It’s not ever going to be “over” then, so… what’s your point? The current United States is done for. Whatever comes out of the ashes wont be for decades. Just expect USSR style fallout, but significantly worse and far more bloody.
Booo. A true leader will emerge from the ashes and lay waste to the oligarchy, as prophecized by plato.
Haha. That sounds plausible. Let’s bet the farm!
Every representative government follows the same formula, though overthrow of a monarch, to stages of oligarchic repression, to a true leader coming along and laying waste to that oligarchy, there are no exceptions in history. Let’s make it happen.
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People with attitudes like yours should never express themselves. What a shitbag.
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Yeah, using your own words against you is brilliant. Go back to your magat life and get ready to never vote again.
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I’m leaving the country. So, I’ll be voting just fine.
Enjoy the New American Dream.
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