The European Commission preliminarily found Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX and XVideos in breach of the Digital Services Act (DSA) for failing to protect minors from being exposed to pornographic content on their services.
That’s not how the internet works.
The onus is on the users. The parents are the ones who have to figure out a way to ensure what their kid’s devices can access, or that they are educated enough not to seek it.
I am once again asking why a non-European website should have to care.
It’s the EU’s job to censor shit. Why are you asking people to censor themselves?
If kids are willfully seeking porn, then it ain’t anybody’s business to stop them. Exploring and enjoying your sexuality is part of growing up, and “moral” whackjobs shouldn’t get to decide how people grow up.
Protecting the kids should be about providing useful information, contraception, and official aid against predators.
I’m pretty liberal but nobody’s kids need to watch anyone get tied up and anally fucked while they scream.
I get your point about regular stuff, but there is a fuckton of irregular stuff
And you bring that up bcz you think that’s specifically what OP was referring to?
Back to magazines and dvds?
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Hey EU (and all other regulatory agencies interested in “protecting the children”), how about you provide information to parents on how they can setup their own blocking tools, like DNS. You can do this for free, today, right now and actually get the results you supposedly want.
It’s a precursor to a digital ID.
Because China and Russia will use bots.
The real crime here is while the EU is trying every angle to error your privacy, that time is not being spent on real issues. You are being sold out by the very people put into positions of power to serve you. If the data supported their goals, I would be there with them, but the data is very clear on the matter and the it indicates we are in for big issues with all these IDs being stored by centralized targets.
porn should be behind age of consent not behind 18; being allowed to fuck someone but not see media of sexual things is total bullshit
and not as a law. this is not the government’s job at all. prohibition doesn’t work. the only solution is proper sex ed
just because it’s harmful to the self (according to dubious claims) doesn’t mean that people should not have this freedom. people’s freedom is more important than prevention of them harming themselves.
Whoever’s currently responsible for the kid should be responsible for watching them and keeping them out of shit they shouldn’t be getting into. Expecting everyone else to put up with this privacy invading shit is fucking stupid.
The smart people never enter politics and so rational solutions like yours never see the day of light. Plus, it is more about collecting your data and control than protecting anyone.
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Minors accessing porn on their own is not a real problem, and hurts no one.
Teenagers beyng addicted to porn is a real problem.
Porn addiction is so astroturfed by evangelicals, that whatever actual addiction for porn there is have been drowned out by endless amount of “if you ever thought about wanting it then you’re an addict, please find jesus”.
Teenagers being addicted to anything is a real problem. Prohibition doesn’t work.
this is more of a parent involvement problem. the world will continue being scary and have millions of harmful things. it’s up to parents to prepare their children to survive and adapt to this world
All addiction is a problem. Hyper- focusing on porn addiction without any objective data on how much addiction of porn is occuring in teenagers and then trying to clumsily legislate away porn in response is bad governance.
If porn addiction is occuring at the same rate as gambling addiction, alcholoism and drug addicition then the problem is not likely to be any of those things individually but likely to be something else.
So we should force companies to deal with that? Not parents?
None of this stops teens who want to find porn from finding porn.
But not my fuckin problem!
Is it? Is there research on it?
Actually yes. Tons of research. For both teen and adults.
But you could have googled that yourself instead of choosing to be a fucking idiot about it.
Do you imagine this is a good way of addressing any addiction issues?
Didn’t know about Stripchat. Sooo … thanks, EU?
And that’s how it begins. Soon they’ll start asking everyone to provide ID to access the internet.
Exactly. Chat Control being rejected is a minor victory unfortunately. There are VERY powerful actors and organizations behind the scenes for these policies.
I think they realized chat control wasn’t going to work, but do not abandon the watch post, they will be back with a different approach.
There are VERY powerful actors
God, I fucking hate this timeline. You know you’re talking about Zuckerberg in that way, right?
That’s why we need decentralized infrastructure like a meshnet or personal/community satellite network. Reticulum based networks are imo the best candidates for that, right now and in the foreseeable future.
I suggest that instead of age verification for kids.
We do parenting verification licences for anyone wanting to have kids, before they have kids and don’t raise them.
Some might be upvoting this in cheeky irony, but I see this as a modest proposal.
This position deserves a longer form article & widespread publication, and numerous calculations & studies detailing how much more ethically beneficial this would be for society. Would it not be more efficient to curb idiocy among the masses by regulating people’s choices in population control than conducting intimate mass government surveillance? Would it not be a higher ethical stance to give people the illusion of choice by making them work for the privilege of birthing, maintenance, and management of another human being?
Counterpoint: it is cheaper and cost-effective to dehumanize and control the masses with the technical advances we have today
, and-also, to hell with ethics. Think about it. If car manufacturers would be made responsible for designing cars to identify bad actors, we wouldn’t have to deal with the inevitable consequences of people who gain their driving licenses but bend the rules anyway. We could do with discarding licensing altogether because it’s not perfect. Only by singling out and reprimanding each person for their faults with the conviction of a Walmart micromanager and the ruthless efficiency of Palantir surveillance - can we create a more perfect bubble of safety for society.~(I don’t have time to even pretend to cough up statistics, k thx bye)~
Ah, the classic dichotomy: privacy vs eugenics
It’s not eugenics if you just confiscate them at birth. This is already being done with severely unfit parents
One: that’s not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth.
Two: you’re proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don’t agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad.
I’m not advocating for our government’s insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP’s proposal is worse. There’s got to be better ways to protect children than “police state” or “genocide.”
I’m not proposing anything, I’m saying that if you’re a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it’s not that far-fetched.
Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that’s not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent.
What a second. Pornhub is in US. This is like UK trying to force 4chan into age verification
*Canada
They can ban payments from the EU to Pornhub
So yeah tor doesnt require a ID… So have fun I suppose? And be careful
And then it pushes people into darker areas. I just sw a post about a horrible rape ring and it hosted videos on sites that I saw on 4chan over the years.
How about parents be parents and monitor kids.
For real. This is like saying all underage drinking is the alcohol companies fault rather than the parents that leave their alcohol easily accessible to their kids, basically providing it for them. Underage kids say 16 or under should absolutely not have unmonitored access to the internet, and that is solely on the parents to enforce. You don’t have to buy your kid a smart phone or tablet or computer. When you do your providing then access to the internet and hoping they make the right call.
I think you mean monitor their usage.
And to be fair, this is fairly technical. Many parents aren’t very technical. They have no idea the extent of parental control they have access to, and I think that’s by design (as it would be unprofitable for social media).
When I was a kid I got to use the family PC in the living room. While my peers that got on smartphones early started brain rotting on Facebook I was on my bicycle with my best buds and curfew of when the street lights come on. Kids can live without smart phones, and definatley don’t need unmonitored access to the internet. Doesn’t take parental controls, they simply don’t need the internet in private. Their too young and curious to be trusted on it for their own good.
You don’t have to buy your kid a smart phone or tablet or computer.
You do if you want them to be normal members of society with any skills. Things are happening on a computer now, so if you want your kid to not be a socially isolated looser they kind of have to have one.
What is a 13 year old missing out on by not having constant unmonitored access to the internet? They can go ride a bike or something. Maybe see their friends in real life instead of chatting with 30 year old maga predators on the internet and considering it “socializing”.
All their peers are on discord shit talking them for being the weirdo that can’t do anything. While I agree that it needs to happen, fixing this is going to require more than just individuals restricting their own kids. It’s going to take a collective effort, requiring a decent time investment, from all parents or at least enough of them to ensure their children have a decent social network. I’m not optimistic with how fucked up and exhausting every single aspect of life has become. There are things politicians could focus on to actually improve the situation but they’d rather cater to all the data stealing corporations.
Yea and plenty of kids shit talked me for being a weirdo before discord was around what do u expect from crotch goblins. But I agree that unfortunately our info is more and more being harvested and sold, and their buying the right to do it through our government. It’s sick.
That’s what I expect of them. That’s why I said it. Getting bullied was far more damaging to me than anything I ever encountered on the Internet.
My point was you can’t just restrict the kids access to the Internet, you have to also make sure they’re able to hang out with their peers. There has to be a balance between giving them the freedom to do shit and sheltering them.
I unfortunately know what you can come across and how stupidly easy it is to find it…
But the parents are doing it wrong! Most don’t even disown their kids when they come out as gay or trans; which is the fault of social media anyway.
Upvoted with the assumption that there is a hidden /s.
Someone who uses the /s is no better than an emoji user.
