Watching a CEO get fucked by using AI is orgasmic.
The CEO will be fine at the end of the day.
The workers are going to get fucked, though.
At the moment this is a win for the workers. They should get their full share of the payout, now. The main danger is now their parent company may be hostile to them (or even try to close them) until the parent company CEO gets replaced.
until the parent company CEO gets replaced.
One would hope pulling such a boneheaded move ought to make that happen rather quickly.
Of course, if this CEO has been there for more than a year or 2, he would probably get a golden parachute for more than the value of his fuckup…
Yep as soon as the game is launched, LAYOFFS!!!
Sharing profits with the people who actually did the work is anti-capitalist.
Yeah. These illegal firings happened around 9 months ago. I doubt these guys had the funds to just sit on the sidelines, doing nothing, hoping that the court would rule in their favour. Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.
Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.
Or just don’t want to contribute to an organization that tried to fuck them over in the past. I’d be much more inclined to get a payout and move on with my life. What’s the point of returning to a job and making more money for the people who just tried to get rid of you to save a buck?
With many businesses I’m sure that’s true. But, it might be different when you’re making something artistic. Subnautica has a lot of passionate fans, and it’s a unique kind of game. These guys might really want to finish this game that they poured a lot of themselves into. Maybe not, maybe they just want to move on. But, I think a lot of people who work on games really care about what it is they’re doing.
LLMs are fly honey for stupid people.
So, per the article, mr CEO didn’t want to pay the devopers their well earned extra from hitting a sales goal, so the wooden doll asked chatGePeTo how to avoid that. Even Gepeto said that it was going to “be difficult”, but Kim Becile insisted on a plan.
The first step was posting a message on Subanutica’s website to get fans on his side. According to court documents, Kim said the goal of the message was to “secure public support from fans and legal validation of our legitimacy.” He then suggested that ChatGPT write it for him. It achieved the opposite of his intended goal. Fans found the message bizarre and worried about the future of the game. Those fears were compounded when Kim fired the game’s original creators and entered into a legal battle with them.
I’d like to meet a CEO of a similar megacorp that isn’t both a complete fucking idiot AND an absolute psychopath. Surely there has to be one?
The CEO having the direct ability to post to the company website is wild on its own. Everywhere I have ever worked nothing got on the company website unless it went through the marketing people at a minimum. If it was from someone like the CEO it probably went through the legal team as well first.
Krafton is South Korean. How’s the corporate culture in South Korea? Are they as ritual-suicide-for-going-home-before-the-boss-does as Japan?
Basically same problems as Japan. Low birth rate, unrealistic work life balance that’s helped GDP but now both are facing demographic shock that’ll destroy the economy in a generation.
Considering Moon Channel’s video on South Korea (tldw; he explains around 24:40 in the video how strongly neoconfucianism became the state ideology and that still endures to this day - and how highly important hierarchy is), I would say that yes, an underling would NEVER dare go against someone above them.
Just make me CEO of a company. Surely I can’t do worse than the crop of people they’re currently finding.
Kim: Aw shit I regret my contract. Maybe I can get out of it by lying. I need tons of lies. I need to lie and bullshit like a madman. I need to spout tons of absolute unhinged bullshit with a straight face.
ChatGPT: This. Is. My. Moment.
Sounds like our government. It sounds like our whole fucking modern society.
Too bad ChatGPT lacks the self-awareness (let alone any actual reasoning skills whatsoever) to appreciate it.
This sort of hilarious act of subversion (pun intended) makes me wonder if the loonies who think it’s sentient are right.
Nah chat GPT is just a verbal mirror, so the idiot puts his complete lack of legal knoweldge in and gets a complete lack of legal knowledge out.
I finally got to read this article and the situation is even better/dumber with more context. I didn’t realize the layering at first.
This CEO used AI to avoid paying human lawyers to help him figure out how to avoid paying human game developers.
This asshole needs to get some kind of “Yo Dawg I heard you like AI” anti-award.
Jail would be nice. Someone shouldn’t be able to drag that many people through that much pain without repercussions beyond having to do the thing they were avoiding to begin with. Banning his stupid ass from running any more companies would be a decent outcome.
Haven’t the last few years made it clear that we live in a word without consequences ?
At least for those who most deserve them.
For the record this was not a dev company CEO. He’s the publisher company CEO, you know, the usual bastards.
I was against ChatGPT, but now I think it could be useful as a moron honeypot.
Who would have thought that the workers weren’t the real drones?!
Anyone who’s met ceos
We know what “C” stands for in that suite
Holy hell, the fact that those slack messages and that chatbot history ended up in court is mind blowing. I guess we should be grateful that this time, the bad guy and his hamfisted “Project X” got put in the spotlight.
As a brave Ukrainian defender once said, “We are lucky they are so stupid”.
This is the kind of successful entrepreneur we’re supposed to be looking up to, people.
Exactly, the fact this dude at Krafton can sign 250 million dollars deals but is also dumb enough to think a ChatGPT lawyer knows better than his own lawyers… It goes to show that many powerful people were just lucky or inherited their wealth but are definitely not successful because they are smart.
This is why the LLMs are so popular with execs, they are the ultimate yes men. They will feed ego and purport to give a strategy that will support any dumbass idea without challenging them.
That’s half of it. The other half is that these execs think that everybody under them is some kind of replaceable cog in the machine with no special skills. They don’t think their job could be replaced by AI. But, they think everyone under them is so unimportant that their job can be done by AI. They’re managers. They don’t know how to do the work of the people they’re managing. They can’t tell the difference between an accurate result given to them by someone with knowledge and expertise vs. one created by a slop machine that generates plausibly realistic text.
If their $1000/hour lawyers tell them one thing, but the bullshit machine tells them something different, they trust whichever one gives them the answer they prefer.
Luck is a factor, but the differentiator is that they have the. Isplaced confidence and drive to just do what they want first. Then the luck let’s them get away with it. It’s kind of like if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads. So with billions of people in the world. Some have this drive to be on top, misplaced confidence, luck, and situational oportunities (also a good part luck) to end up able to sign 250 million dollar contract. None of that actually requires they have a clue. Sometimes they do, but it isn’t required.
And no one remembers the failures, except maybe their family with that wacky Uncle that had some crazy get rich quick scheme. In some other timeline, some kids think of their crazy uncle Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college because he thought he could do better than MySpace, and now he bounces around chasing various hustles that keep failing.
This is a lot of what’s happening. LLM companies have convinced the eagerly selfish that LLMs can empower them to do things they currently rely on others for, faster and better, and the early adopters are making very risky decisions that are blowing up in their faces. The current US admin is one of these groups of eagerly selfish, believing LLMs will empower them to be capable of things they simply aren’t, like seizing power and ruling America forever.
I looked up a similar article without a paywall:
“Krafton recently declared itself to be an “AI-first company,” which led Unknown Worlds to issue a statement indicating that Subnautica 2 will not feature generative AI.”
The “AI first” shit is pure gold. I love the instant karma. Why are these CEOs throwing their money, reputation, etc. away on AI? Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they’re using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.
They’re simply stupider than you thought. They buy into hype so fast without really listening to the experts already on the team.
It’s because in order to become a ceo, you have to be a very specific type of person, and the role also attracts this trait of putting money above all else, which fits perfectly to the role.
Imagine if you invested in a company that helmed a ceo that didn’t try to make more money. Right? You’d be upset as the investor-role that your money wasn’t working for you, and would take the guy out.
This is the common, public opinion.
So the same goes for the CEO: that maximum money be made by being different and taking good chances and staying on top of the technology curve. And OpenAI has been, at least what they, themselves, purport, overwhelmingly successful.
This is all to say that the role of CEO draws a ton of people who think a lot of themselves and their abilities, because they think fake it until you make it is the role, because it largely is: you have to make bets on decisions to lead like that. Which makes CEOs this sort of hollow, fake-person sort of capitalist sociopath.
And them betting on AI-first, then, makes a ton of sense if you’re that specific type of person. Because, unless you have your own skills and opinions, you will be beholden to the dumbest, fakest, skewed statistical other bullshitters in the world.
Right now, the companies making all these mistakes that all of us with actual skills and opinions can clearly see, those are just the companies that don’t matter, that are leeching off the backs of real industries. Like a group of kids all cheating off each other in a test, and suddenly a bunch of them get the same wrong answer.
They’re literally the people, and boards of people who put them there, who have no fucking idea what they’re doing, and in my personal opinion, are very clearly illustrating a weak point with society and humanity and our values and structures across the world. We’ll get past this one, for sure. But there will be more. That is the both the curse and the gift of existence.
The “AI first” shit is pure gold
It’s a pitch to investors. There’s dumb money being flung left and right like chimpanzee poop in the zoo
Same thing happened with blockchain to a lesser extent. I remember my old company forcing us to put blockchain in something, anything, so they could add it to the sales pitches.
Yeah I remember some companies getting their stock price spiking because they said blockchain. It was same like with dotcom bubble in 2000s. You renamed your company from dogshitidea to dogshitidea.com and money was flung at you like ape faeces.
Execs in this sort of company are narrative first, facts a distant second. LLMs speak their language, something agreeable that sounds right whether it is or not.
BTW, investors are largely in the same boat, they are investing with having no realistic way to know whether the nice things being said are backed by reality up front. They only know if/when it goes down in a blaze.
Further in gaming, maybe they tank some headliner properties with bad reviews if the mess them up, but it’s possible that most of the ‘sold’ games barely even get played, thanks to Steam hoarding. A lot of businesses can coast on past glory for years and years before things blow up, if at all.
Yes, this is the reason it’s so popular with them. While the baseline ass-kissing of chatGPT makes me vomit, they think it’s the greatest invention in the world and don’t understand how somebody doesn’t love it
Krafton did promise to be “AI first” for everything going forward. If you haven’t already blocked the publisher on Steam or other services, do so now.
You never go full ChatGPT.
I mean, if this is the way the average CEO is handling ChatGPT, a lot of things start to make sense.
You’d be surprised how many CEOs are absolute morons who have successfully failed their way upwards into the C-suite by simply being agreeable to higher management, and greedy enough to fuck others over.
I naturally assume there’s a distinct lack of humanity and a willingness to act like a psychopath with them.
as someone who deals directly with these CEOs and their startups/small companies, no it doesn’t surprise me. I deal with them on a daily basis. they’re all collectively idiots that somehow fell into a barrel full of thumbs and came out sucking tits. They learned catch phrases and linkedin buzzwords and have the ability to con investors who are arguably more stupid than the CEOs.
My entire lively hood is based purely off their collective idiocy. they utilize AI/LLM’s for builds, they fire virtually all their senior dev teams, then when things naturally go south they hire me to come in and pay me, honeslty, WAY more than I should be paid to code review their AI slop and tell them how fucked they are. that’s literally my job now. All they know are buzzwords and the ability to throw money at a problem that will then hopefully vanish but it never does.
I’ve had conversations with some of these morons where they’ve openly admitted to me that they “asked chatgpt and it said we should do this and this” so this CEO asking chatgpt for legal advice does not surprise me at all.
What i’ve learned is to get ahead in life all you need to do is abandon all your ethics and morals, learn some catchy buzzwords, and be a complete moron. The world then rewards you for it.
how does one get such a wonderful job
like it or not linkedin and replying to tech bros posts calling them out. eventually a desperate upper manager or cto or ceo will notice and contact me to fix their fuck up. I used to just do contract dev work but I got tired of constantly reading bullshit on linkedin while trying to get work. so I started replying to the bullshit. eventually people seeing my replies figured I knew what I was talking about and would contact me for help. Now I get gigs purely from word of mouth.
fire. how often would you suggest someone use linkedin?
honestly as much as you can tolerate it. But once you start gaining traction then get off it.
I think the will to fuck anyone over for more advancement is the biggest factor here.
Yeah, the lack of empathy and selfishness
You misspelled being related to the previous CEO or a good friend of theirs.
Someone straight up getting promoted to CEO from below is a bit more rare. They usually have been a CEO somewhere else before that due to relations.
Further proof of how many CEOs are psychopaths.
THAT is what happened?! Wow, that is hilarious!
The legal battle is ongoing, but Kim looks set to lose.
I am SO curious what will happen here and what the final verdict will be. Trying to cheat someone out of 250 million has to result in some enormous fine at least right?
We can only hope. Wouldn’t be surprised if it follows the age-old “keep appealing to a higher court until you reach dependable corruption” model.
i bet the first thing he looked into is how to push the responsibility for his failure onto chatgpt
