• ameancow@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      People who will win: defense contractors, evangelical christians with investments in Israel, oil companies that can pull the “make money” lever at whim, saudi princes and everyone who is going to shore up around the capitalist might of US/Israel’s war machine.

      People who will lose: anyone who needs insulin, food or childcare.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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      We already lost. Trump got bullied/suckered by Israel into this mess without a clearly defined American win scenario. Israel has one and they are getting it. The US does not, because Trump is weak and catastrophically dumb, ignorant, narcissistic, and incompetent.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        We… we lost two THAAD radar arrays, already.

        https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/irgc-destroys-second-us-thaad-system-uae-radar-qatar-early-warning-iran-missile-dominance/

        We… can’t intercept too many missiles without those.

        They’re like $1.5 billion USD each, roughly adjusted for inflation.

        And… I think there were only like, 12 of these things, total. Anywhere. As of a week ago.

        We reportedly have been trying to take away the one we use in South Korea, to redeploy it.

        This is … beyond completely tits up.

        Trump is saying the US Navy will just escort any willing vessel through the Strait of Hormuz.

        And… what, we’re gonna use all our fleet defensive systems, to … shoot down the missiles that Iran can build 10x faster than we can build interceptors?

        Taiwan is now completely fucked, if anyone hasn’t figured that out yet, we will now almost certainly not have enough missiles to repel an invasion from the PLAAN and PLAAF.

        This is… extremely bad situation, if you are generally a fan of yourself and other people not dieing a violent death.

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        16 hours ago

        Epstein was the ultimate life insurance policy for Israel. Most of the americal leaders are in their pocket because of the kompromat he collected for decades for the foreign agencies (Israeli and Russian it seems).

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          If Israel is around in 100 years I’ll eat my shorts. They’re speedrunning being turned into a crater

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            10 hours ago

            Israel’s nuclear doctrine is the Samson Doctrine.

            Basically, if they get nuked… they nuke Moscow, European capitals, anyone and everyone they can reach.

            So… yeah…

            Its literally ‘kill everyone’.

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              4 hours ago

              How the heck does the world “negate” or oppose Israel with the Samson Option running around?

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                Well, the difference being that the Iranian strategy is to attack things that can attack them, or people they care about.

                And obviously it is non nuclear.

                If Iran does have any ‘nuclear’ capacity, it would be dirty bombs, not… actual, proper, thermonuclear bombs/warheads.

                The Israel strategy is to intentionally take out friend, foe, in between, to simply maximize chaos and maximize the chance of basically secondary retaliatory nuclear strikes against as many other targets as possible.

                Goad the world into destroying itself, get other people to do most of the work for them.

                … See how that’s kind of a recurring pattern?


                If you are unfamiliar with the story of Samson from the Old Testament / Torah:

                Samson is captured by the Philistines, his magic hair that gives him super human strength is shorn off, his eyes are put out.

                But, he repents, and God gives him is supernatural strength back.

                Samson, while being paraded and mocked in the Philistine royal court, finds the support beams to the whole building, and shakes them so hard that the entire building collapses, killing himself and everyone else in the Philistine royal court.

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                Yeah the whole area is a hot mess. Always has been though, and always will be, unless of course it’s the nuke o’clock some day.