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LOL at Windows being marked as less corporate than MacOS. They should absolutely be at least tied.
Literal megacorporations have run purely on Windows since the 90s and it’s not S-tier corporate? lol
Windows is not at the top of corporate possibly because it can be installed on non-homologated PCs.
But on the other hand, all the reasons that people hate corporate OSes apply much more to Microsoft than Apple. Microsoft is the company that puts ads in their OS and is built entirely out of proprietary tech, and has been more vocal about shoehorning AI into everything.
That’s a poor qualifier. Most corporations do not deploy MacOS to their employees. Windows belongs in the top right, if not a full line by itself for Corporate.
Some people don’t like snaps
“Some people like snaps” would have been closer to the truth, but it would still be an exaggeration of their numbers.
I bet Mark Shuttleworth likes Snaps.
“A person likes snaps.”
There, all covered and more accurate than the original.
His mom probably likes them too.
His dad probably says “WTF is this Snap bullshit son? We didn’t raise you like that.”
Then his mom replies, “it’s just a phase, he needs our support, I’m sure you can make snaps happen, sweetie.”
You know what? I know they’re far from the ideal solution, but I have installed a few things with snaps … and it was fine. It worked seamlessly and painlessly (in some instances).
Generally, I’d prefer other ways to install, but snaps aren’t the end of the world.
(This concludes my hot take of the day.)
snaps aren’t the end of the world
System engineers all collectively shuddered at that thought. Then OS security nerds.
This is the “I tried heroin and it was good” story but for OSes
pretty soon we’ll need snaps in our snaps to make it easier for developers to create snaps with snap dependencies
And if I tried heroin and it was bad was also even more common.
It’s not a question whether they work or not. It’s whether you’re okay with an app distribution system that forces us to be dependent on one corporation. Snap’s backend effectively makes Ubuntu almost as bad as Android.
And seeing as there is no shortage of better options, why not choose those?
Yeah those fights are like the nerds dying for Arch. Probably a good thing so that things move forward but utterly useless for lambda users.
Hot Take Day!
What about flatpack?
CachyOS being the same level as mainstream as Mint and Ubuntu is copium.
It’s the most popular single distro on ProtonDB now, so that’s something
It’s in an extremely good spot right now imo. Just installed it yesterday on pretty new hardware (upper mid-range), flawless experience
What’s the selling point on CachyOS? I use Pop os right now but I’m looking to swap to something new and I was never all that fond of Pop os. Before that I used Fedora which had an awful time running stable on my machine. Mostly I’m considering Debian
Cachy is growing in popularity a lot. Negative publicity around Ubuntu is driving people to alternatives, and I’ve heard a lot of people are trying cachy as their first Linux distro.
People are trying cachy as their first Linux distro.
To anyone reading and thinking of switching:
DO NOT use CachyOS as your first distro. You will not like the experience, it was not made with total newbies in mind. It is Arch with a few bells and whistles, and you are not prepared to properly handle Arch, yet. You will get there later, if you want to.
I wish there were Debian with Cachy-gaming features. Wonder if I could just do that myself? 🤔
Debian is probably a poor fit for a gaming-oriented distro, since gaming is constantly evolving in terms of hardware and software features.
Even if you put as much as possible into a container or a Flatpak, your drivers will be old.
If you want stability AND modern gaming, maybe go for something like Bazzite? The system is very stable thanks to immutability and atomic updates, and at the same time you have all the modern gaming stack.
I’m not a fan of immutable distros, and always having the latest drivers has never been an issue for me. Having a system that’s less likely to break after an update is a bit more critical when it comes to actually being able to spend time playing games.
But what I meant is that Debian has tools I can use to recompile my packages. I’m not aware of any reasons why I wouldn’t be able to rebuild my system to replicate the unique features of CachyOS myself if I wanted to put in the work. And at that point I could always start with Sid as a base as well, which would be just as bleeding edge as any rolling release distro.
Or, there is always Siduction as well.
Looked into Siduction - seems to be a small project operating over Debian Sid, which I call a recipe for disaster when actually deployed as a home system. Sid is not meant to be stable, and you’re unlikely to get much support. And a small community project is unlikely to patch everything faster than Debian itself.
Debian Sid should not be seen the same way as Arch or other rolling release distros - the former is supposed to be broken, a bug here and there is a non-issue at this point of Debian development lifecycle. Arch and others are expected to actually be used as end products, so critical bugs are rare.
I had some counters in mind to the things you’re saying here. But I don’t feel like bothering. So I will just say the big problem with everything you’re saying, is that you’re arguing against using Debian.
Meanwhile just last night Elden Ring on my Trixie desktop went brrrr.
If I am used to Ubuntu, would I ever want to be on a rolling release?
Depends on your personal preferences!
Rolling release typically delivers the latest and greatest of Linux, which is kinda cool. It also removes all the headache of upgrading to a newer version and the possible issues stemming from that. You get to see the gradual evolution of your system, one feature at a time, and you don’t have to wait a month after a new version is released, just because some program you need is not properly ported yet.
On the other end, any update of the rolling release system can end up being somewhat breaking, so if you prefer setting aside time for managing your system instead of having a nasty surprise at the worst possible moment and at the same time want to have your system secure and updated at all times, classic model will be superior.
In both cases, properly set snapshots save a lot of trouble.
Ironically, I think Arch might be a better first time distro than CachyOS, because if you’re willing to go through the manual installation process and learn from all the fuckups you’ll make, you can come out of it with the knowledge necessary to manage your install. Though of course I would only recommend it with the warning that your system will be mostly broken for a while and you’d be constantly figuring out and fixing things, so not a good idea if you need your computer working.
But it does seem like a nice distro for if you already know what you’re doing and want to save time getting things set up (and maybe those performance improvements are significant enough, I’ve seen people give big figures)
Agreed! If you want to get into the backbone of Linux systems from the get-go and have some level of technical expertise, Arch is a brilliant learning experience.
And if you already have the experience with Arch and just want to make your life easier, CachyOS or EndeavourOS are good options.
Yeah, even Bazzite is less niche then CachyOS
yeah, trendy distros come and go, i’d hesitate to call it mainstream, even if a handful of youtubers make a video about it.
And somehow more “independent” than arch, when it’s based on arch?
if you live antwhere but the USA and Canada, MacOS is a niche, absolutely not mainstream at all, I see more linux users than MacBook users here in Brazil
macs are so rare that someone once screenshared and i was almost asking if that was gnome
Lmao. In Europe Mac is mainstream and most people think I have MacOS installed when it’s in fact gnome
Oh, didn’t you know? “The World” is just “USA” on the Internet.
I mean…it was invented there. And it is the third most populous country in the world. So, for a long time the Internet was USA. It’s not anymore but change can take a while to sink in.
Just my 2 cents.
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Do they not advertise in Brazil? Cuz if y’all can go a day without seeing an ad of a floating laptop doing pirouettes in an endless white void to an overproduced pop song masquerading as indie, I might be down to move.
as someone who has lived 20 years in brazil, (since brith and has yet to venture outside) I have seen one apple ad in my whole life, and zero apple apple stores, the few times I decided to look up some of them because of memes I was genuinely disgusted by them
Lots of things wrong with this but one I haven’t seen yet is that CachyOS literally depends on ArchLinux, yet is more “independent” than it?
These are terrible axis to try and plot operating systems, and limiting yourself to such low resolution with no overlap doesn’t help.
I think the “independent” label might be more about the decision making being dependent on an organization?
This is also a meme community and those charts are never that serious, and considering people will disagree about the placements anyways, trying to have more precision might be pointless.
Windows is less corporate than MacOS?
If we’re talking hardware restrictions, sure I get it from the walled garden.
Mac OS isn’t iOS, there is no walled garden.
It still a walled garden in the sense that Apple is the only one that can code sign and certify software for the MacOS. So every dev that wants to release software on MacOS still needs to pay for membership of Apple’s developer program even if they don’t distribute trough the App Store. Unless they want their user to disable a security feature on MacOS and ignore the warnings.
That’s not exactly true. Users don’t have to “disable” anything. They just have to click a button that says they understand the risk of running unsigned software. You can run anything you want on MacOS.
Well you might also need to run some arcane incantation to remove quarantine bits, too. And it’ll only work if it’s actually been ported to the m-series chips, of course. And sometimes you just need to compile the whole god damn app yourself anyway. But sure, caveats side, you can run anything you want on macos that runs on macos. As long as you’re not using a company-issued device and are forbidden.
Right but you can still install any app regardless.
I’ve got the hot take of wondering if Windows is less corporate than ChromeOS. I’m sure there’s some open sourcing going on from Windows but ChromiumOS (which I assume has major issues, AOSP certainly does) exists, and someone could build something cool with it.
Sadly we’ll never have an open source Windows XP.
Isnt reactos pretty close to open source xp?
How is Debian More niche than cachy?
Red Hat is based on Fedora, not the other way around.
You sure about that?
From your own link, Fedora:
…is now the upstream source for CentOS Stream and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
So yes, I’m pretty sure.
I don’t think “upstream provider for newer packages” is the same as “based on”. Fedora was developed from Red Hat, the image is correct in that sense. You can quote that part of the link but I specifically pointed to " It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project." so based on Red Hat.
Read the paragraph again. This time with your eyes.
It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project… It is now the upstream source for CentOS Stream and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
Did you notice how it says “Red Hat Linux Project” and then goes on to say “Red Hat Enterprise Linux”?
This is because RHL != RHEL.
From the Hyperlink on the Wikipedia page for RHL:
Red Hat Linux was a widely used commercial open-source Linux distribution created by Red Hat until its discontinuation in 2004.
OP is correct. You are mistaken for thinking RHL was RHEL. It is not.
You are right, my mistake for mixing the two.
Yup, in fact the base of RHEL 10 and CentOS Stream 10 is Fedora 41. For RHEL 9 it was Fedora 34 if I remember correctly.
Okay buddy
Windows is more corporate than that Ubuntu is more corporate and mainstream than that.
implying that Arch is niche at this point
What is corporate about Debian?
I could think of a couple votes.
It’s used by companies for its rock-solid stability in long up times.
Why is “used by companies” criteria for being corporate?
Companies use doors. Are doors “corporate” now?
Debian had corporate funding, even if they those corporations don’t have any ibfluence. It being one of the oldest and mostly widely used Linux distributions means that by the virtue of it being an enterprise-level system it is somewhat more corporate. Debian can neatly fit into most corporate and enterprise systems and probably is somewhere in almost everyone’s stack. That’s not bad and doesn’t make it a corpo distro, but it definitely is more “corporate” than something like Arch which it is rightfully juxtaposed against
That makes sense, “used by” doesn’t.
Well if among 30 doors, 2 specifically are used; then yes
more people working on it, maybe? i’m not sure, but it’s the same situation for arch
Fedora isn’t based ln RHEL, it was before, but now it’s in fact the opposite. As far as I know, RHEL 10 is based on CentOS Stream 10, which in turn is based on Fedora 41.
That’s correct. The community threw a fit when CentOS moved into that Stream position. Despite it being ABI compatible with RHEL.
I didn’t throw a fit I just replaced it within two months with debian and life goes on.
Congrats? Enjoy your totally different ecosystem and lack of SELinux.
Somehow I’ve managed to get through okay. It might have something to do with competence.
Weird choice of OS in that case. One the preconfigures many packages for you. You do you.
You forgot SuSE, as usual.
SuSE too niche to even show up on this chart.
I’ll fight you in a ditch.
I’ve worked on suse as part of Unitedlinux.
No, I’d say it’s not forgotten. Just repressed.
SuSE can hang out with New Zealand and Gen X
CachyOS a bit to the left. It is not at all mainstream in my bubble.
NixOS on the niche and corporate quadrant.
I think you’re missing quite a few like:
- z/OS it’s IBM’s mainframe OS, so super corporate and niche
- raspberry pi os should be included because it’s pretty mainstream
- android and iOS should be on there because they’re very mainstream, not technically desktop OSs but for a normie with a tablet what’s the difference?
- there’s a lot of embedded OSs that could be added (open WRT, Windows IoT, NetBSD)
- no Temple OS?
- free DOS?
Why isn’t openSUSE included in that table?
