The legislation takes aim directly at trans individuals using the restroom or locker rooms, threatening those who “knowingly” and “willfully” enter facilities designated for the “opposite biological sex” with prison time. A first offense would count as a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail. Those caught using the bathroom in repeated offenses, however, could be convicted as felons and face up to five years in prison.
It’ll be interesting to see how this aligns with the Full Faith and Credit clause for someone who updates their birth certificate from another state that allows for that then uses the bathroom that aligns with said certificate.
I’d be shocked if Idaho had bathrooms as nice as the picture in the whole state.
Only pedophiles would think about children’s dicks as much as Republicans do.
I live in Idaho, and the comments here are as ignorant as ever.
If you are trans/different/nonconservative in any way, let me say this very, very clearly:
THEY WANT YOU DEAD.
Not in prison, not a slave, not a member of society at all.
They want you DEAD.
Stop pussyfooting around this. Passing laws like this is merely a step towards their true goals. I am not being melodramatic, I cannot ring the warning bell hard enough after the conversations I have had with conservatives here. They are doing everything they can to slow-burn us into massacring our own people and even WANTING to think the best of these bad-faith psychos is bad FOR US ALL including THEM. They are essentially children that have been taught that having any moral code is weakness and that lying and cheating is strength. They do NOT have positive intentions and they ARE thinking about the long game. You will not convince them of anything using just words and arguments, not unless you find a way to put a LOT of money in their pockets, and you would have to first convince them that Trump didn’t already do exactly that.
Right wingers are all such goddamn freaks I swear.
And snowflakes
Wow at this rate the only transgender bathroom left will be Charlie Kirk’s gravestone.
Give the kid a rest, will ya? He’s already had it up to his neck in gun violence.
Is this a girl toilet or a guy toilet?
This is the ideal make body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
That’s actually a really easy answer.
It’s female.
les toilettes - in french.
It’s male in Spanish lol. Does that make toilets non-binary?
el baño / el inodoro
Maybe we need to go by where it was manufactured, and maybe they should come with labels etched into the porcelain so they don’t get mis-gendered and placed incorrectly?
We could issue certificates at the time they’re manufactured
I dunno, if we do that it might cause some black market certificate situation with people trying to unlawfully place male toilets in the female bathrooms.
is it a Toto or American Standard?
Toto drake 2 for the win!
A felony? LOL
I wonder if they are smart enough to put exceptions in for children where the father or mother may possibly take the child into the ‘wrong’ bathroom.
as a woman I see so many boys in the women’s restroom, it is very common
Wait til some MAGA Dad gets arrested for this
Plenty of Pedo Protectors and Pedos in the red run Idaho oblast.
Plenty here on lemmy, too.
Do they include a definition of “biological sex”? And of how that’s going to be determined?
Of course not. They have no fucking clue what they’re talking about. They just want to hurt people
What about intersex people… can they go in both?
If it comes up in court, I guess they’ll be forced to specify if they’re defining biological sex by chromosomes, genitalia, or some other biological feature. Unfortunately, the law was made by people who are completely oblivious to the complexity of biological sex. This is why people shouldn’t be allowed to make laws without knowing the science if these things. Same thing with anti-abortion laws being made by people who don’t understand biology
Major in biology
Born with dick = Dude
Born with vag = girl
Not that hard…
Clearly you didn’t comprehend that this was an answer in the context of intersex. Reading and comprehension must not be one of your strengths.
Hermaphrodites exist.
So you’ve never heard of intersex people? Some people can be born with both
The people making this law have no idea that there are people who are biologically intersex and, if told, will dismiss it as irrelevant because they’re “a tiny minority”. Deaf people are also a small minority and it’s common practice to accommodate them. All people should be considered when making a law with the threat of jail time.
I think it’s even more than just people who would be classified as intersex
There are various markers for sex: DNA*, hormonal levels/profile, gonadal tissue, gametes, the shape of the genitals, and even the shape of the skeleton. Probably more that I’m just not bringing to mind right now
And it would be pretty unusual for any one individual to have all of those markers point unambiguously in one direction
So the first question is - if it’s going to be law that people have to be divided into two precise categories according to their biological sex, what marker is being used to determine which category they fit in
If pressed on this, transphobes often default to gametes, with a fudge to the effect that people who don’t produce gametes should be judged by what gametes they would produce if their reproductive systems were producing gametes
Okay, so, someone goes into one public toilet. Someone calls the police on them because they don’t think they’re a biological match. The police turn up…how are they going to determine what gametes that individual would produce if they produced gametes?
Because you can’t just select a marker and not have a test to determine who fits where, can you?
Which means, logically, what are we looking at? Genital inspections. Because that’s realisically the only test which can be administered
So does this law have an exception for children? Or are they enshrining in law that it’s okay for adults to force children to show them their genitals? To protect kids, of course. There’s no possible way that could have any negative consequences
But even that’s not the point, really, horrible and disgusting though it is. The point is that they don’t know and haven’t thought about what they actually mean when they use those terms, and they certainly haven’t thought about the actual consequences of the law
There’s basically two options - unthinking transphobia, or “I don’t actually care about this issue, but I’m making a big deal of it because I’m otherwise unelectable and if I can make people worried about ‘for the children!’ and paint the other side as paedophiles I might get elected again even by people who disagree with me on literally everything else”
And trans people suffer and are put in danger in the short-term, as do cis people who don’t fit into whatever narrow prejudices the general public have about gender expectations, and children of whatever sex/gender are put in danger in the slightly longer-term
*which in and of itself is a lot more complicated and nuanced than just X/Y
I was recently listening to a video of a call-in show where someone called in and made this argument that sex should be defined by what gametes they’re “supposed to” produce. Supposed by who? The host said that’s not science, that’s fortune telling. Someone in the comments said they were an intersex chimera (male and female twins fused together in the womb) so which sex were they “supposed to” be?
I am, as far as I know, a cisgender woman. Though I’ve never actually had my chromosomes tested. But I have facial hair, a secondary sex characteristic normally associated with men. If I don’t trim or shave regularly, I get a full beard. People who see me in public probably assume I’m trans. When I use public bathrooms, I fear being attacked because I’m mistaken for trans. Fortunately, that doesn’t seem to happen in my area. If I were in Idaho, would I now have to carry my birth certificate to prove I’m female? Would I have to have my genitals inspected? Would I have to go to court and prove I’m female?
You are loved. You are fine the way you are. The world has a place for you. You are not alone.
I know Idaho is bleak right now but there are many areas much more accepting than Idaho.
It’s hard but I strongly encourage moving somewhere more blue. As someone that lives in a blue stronghold the cults is much more accepting than these places.
Boise isn’t down for the count yet. Last year when the state started coming after Pride flags on government property the Mayor and City Council adopted the Pride flag as our city flag. The state legislature has been trying to figure out how to override that ever since. We ran the Hammerskins out of town when they tried to have a music festival, we’ve put MAGAt business owners out of business, we’ve got a lot of teachers and librarians operating malicious compliance to the anti-woke mandates, and I’ve seen more than a few bigots get their teeth knocked out and heads stomped. They might have taken over our state but they haven’t taken over our city.
Moscow Idaho is also still holding out for a bit longer. Lots of trans people going there as a stepping stone to get to Seattle, it’s got Inland Oasis running pride and drag events and doing a lot of work making queer spaces. It is currently being literally invaded by christo fascists so I worry it’s a matter of time but for now at least it’s still a decent place (especially compared to most other parts of Idaho though I know that bar is so low you’d need a shovel to find it). I wish Boise all the best in their resistance
Our country sent a cruise missile into a school full of children last week.
They sent two or three missiles in the school. It was a double-tap strike meant to maximize casualties. Some reports say it was a triple-tap.
We need seperate bathrooms for MAGA, I don’t feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with them as they are peeping toms and pedophile supporters.
pedophile supporters
You can reduce your character count by removing the unnecessary ‘upporters’.
Well, not all of them are. In particular, not all are sexual criminals.
But all of them see no problem with either.
We need a separate planet for MAGA.
I vote for Mercury or Venus.
Mm, still too close!
But Venus can take care of that. 400C and 60 atmospheres of pressure.
pedophile supporters.
G.O.P. - Guardians of Pedophiles
“Idaho” can’t be that stupid when it comes to basic logic, unless hateful religion is involved somehow.
Gendered bathrooms should be banned. Things being gender-exclusive should generally be illegal (regarded as bigotry/hate).
JUST PUT REAL WALLS INSTEAD OF STALLS
I would agree, but…the line for the woman’s bathroom is so long…as long as there’s the same number of stalls and urinals as there would be if they were separated, I definitely support non-gendered!
yeah, i’m nonbinary. i like taking advantage of whichever line is shortest when my anus’s floodgates are about to give because hey, i don’t fit either box easily and we don’t want me shitting on the floor. turning it into one line takes that advantage away from me (i’d have to ask “hey everyone my pooper’s leaking can i cut the line” and that’s more embarrassing for y’all than me. trust me i can make it really embarrassing for y’all i practice) so i say leave the gendered bathrooms. or two nongendered bathrooms but people being so awkward they self-segregate. this is pure self-interest tho
yes
obviously there would be the same number overall
availability would actually be higher as there would be twice as many available to the individual
I can see places cheaping out and just having one bathroom for both that’s the size of just one of them, but it would be a small price to pay to get rid of this terrorizing of trans people…or just anyone who doesn’t appear to fit into specific gender roles.
That… already happens. Tons of smaller restaurants/cafes I’ve been to have a solitary nongendered restroom with one toilet and a sink.
at my workplace when I first transitioned there was a single gender-neutral bathroom in the entire building, and it was frequently occupied because every white woman in the building had the same idea to use it as the “pooping” toilet … so when I was early transition and didn’t pass, instead of use the women’s restroom on the same floor as my colleagues (where I might run into them and make them uncomfortable), I would have to walk to another floor of the building to use another business’s women’s restroom so I didn’t run the risk of seeing anyone I know.
I understand trans people aren’t that common and it can feel absurd to have all this infrastructure for a small minority you never see, but … like, sometimes we do exist and need to use the toilet that was built and set aside for us to use. (I’m sure people with disabilities feel the same way, as the gender-neutral toilet is also often the one built to be ADA compliant and accessible.)
Yeah and honestly I’m a woman but I’m going to use urinals as long as I’m still able, convenient af and hilarious every time to lift your skirt to use a urinal
ha! i’ve never seen a purple one before
some practical advice if it’s your first time using one of these: do not ignore the direction the wind is blowing. in fact, aim for nearby bushes or leaves if you can.
Why haven’t we adopted gender neutral bathrooms on a global scale?
Shut the fuck up, regard. If we did that how the hell would we be able to attack this easy target of vulnerable people?!
The real reason? Because men can’t control themselves and women have reasons to fear for their safety in closed spaces with them.
Men are entirely capable of controlling themselves, I can attest to that personally.
Your’s isn’t an argument, it’s the confession of a predator.
Next time, maybe duck. Because holy shit that went right over your head.
You’re the “not all men” type, eh?
No, every single man is capable of controlling themselves, you’re just a psychopath.
Edit: Why should I have ducked if it had already been going over my head? Also, it’s hilarious that you of all people would try to use “I was just joking” as a reply, considering what I’ve seen from your other comments. Were you just joking when you were talking about how you want to censor trans folks out of existence?
Also, you’re into prediction markets and crypto. You are a giant fucking red flag, holy shit.
Also, you’re into prediction markets and crypto. You are a giant fucking red flag, holy shit.
I’m into what? Lmao no I’m not. I’d love to see how you came to that conclusion.
There are gender neutral bathrooms all over the place.
It’s a sexist idea that men can’t control themselves.
Congrats on missing the obvious commentary and point OP was making.
