https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysee
Too much of a Nazi bar problem or a decent YouTube alternative? Thinly veiled American capitalism or respectable if not entirely unproblematic attempt at disturbing the monopoly?
Yes I am very knowingly and purposefully asking how “we” feel about it.
I don’t see any Nazi content. What are you talking about?
Just a ton of nerdy weirdos going on rants about shit or streaming their video games.
If you want a platform that only feeds you the content you want to see, all you have to do is use Youtube.
any platform committed to free speech and no censorship will attract Nazis, fwiw - so it wouldn’t be surprising a decentralized blockchain project that is committed to free speech might have Nazis on its platform
Platforms that have no free-speech and censorship… also have Nazis.
They are everywhere.
Good luck creating a Nazi-free platform.
the point is that the free-speech platforms generally try to make it harder to remove content, so that the typical moderation that happens on more mainstream platforms isn’t possible
So don’t use them?
I don’t understand what your problem is. You don’t want to see Nazi content, nobody is forcing you to watch it. You just seem to think it shouldn’t exist at all?
Nazis wrote books too, does that mean you can’t ever read a book?
whoa, weird hostility - I don’t care about this at all, and I’m not making a point; ironically I’m someone who has spent time in communities like ZeroNet where this is an issue. I’m just clarifying why the Nazi bar problem is real and prevalent in so many of the decentralized, free-speech-oriented online communities (to help the person I was responding to understand the context)
Again, what is your point? Nazis exist, yes. And you what… think any platform that doesn’t try to systematically erase them is bad or something?
What is your end goal here? So far all I can tell is you are like ‘this thing exists, and there are maybe some nazis on it’.
Where you are going after that I am totalyl confused.
I have no end-goal, I’ve already explained why I made my comment:
Sometimes people are just helpful and don’t have a rhetorical point.
If you keep at me with this aggression I’ll just block you and move on.
Do you go out outside to make sure the sun is still there?
You call it ‘aggression’ I call it pointing your ‘concern’ is about as significant as worrying if the sun won’t be there tomorrow unless you personally witness it.
I’m fine with civil discourse, even with some unsavory opinions. Not so fine with people spreading blatant misinformation and propaganda. There needs to be decent moderation for this, which as I understand, Odysee seems to fail at.
As @dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone is pointing out, commitment to (absolute) free speech tends to attract Nazis. And by Nazis I mean, actual, literal Nazis, not just people who don’t agree with me on soylent being a decent meal replacement.
Also, lets never forget that (absolute) free speech would also cover allowing “theoretical” discussion on how to manipulate, groom and kidnap children for certain purposes etc. How to “theoretically” build bombs. How to “theoretically” drug and kill people etc. You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine but I think it’s healthy for any online space to remove such topics.
Yeah, and? You think those things shouldn’t’ be available?
If someone does police work on those things, should that information not be available to the public as it inform the public?
You are basically claiming some forms of knowledge are too dangerous for people to know. Also, as soon as you start dictating what is ‘misinformation’ you are creating the problem where knowledge and truth are defined by a central authority, which comes with it’s own systematic problems. The people in power of these censorship could easily decide that anti-Nazi rhetoric is misinformation as much as they could decide that Nazi-rehtoric is.
There is no free lunch. Information is free and it’s dangerous, or it’s suppressed, and that’s dangerous as well.
I am a former teacher and academic. I taught philosophy, and plenty of people I have met think philosophy is evil and hateful and terrible and shouldn’t exist. I think it’s great and wonderful. Which of us should have our views censored and suppressed? Socrates was viewed as spreading misinformation, and sentenced to death for it. Do you think his works are misinformation?
That’s a lot of logical fallacy from someone who claims to have been teaching philosophy.
Moderating blatant misinformation or bomb-making instructions does not inevitably lead to censoring valid political dissent. There is also a significant functional difference between Abstract Ideas (Socrates’ questioning of virtue) and Instructional Violations (blueprints for violence). Also equating moderating a privately run online space to making someone drink hemlock by the way of a state execution is a hell of a reach.
Who decides what misinformation and propaganda is? For example, you think that Soylent is a decent meal replacement and harmless, but I’m of the opinion that it is actually very harmful to your health in the long-term and really shouldn’t be advocated for. Who decides on the internet which of us is correct?
Hey I’ve been living on Soylent for years and I see my doctor regularly and take regular blood screenings and one of my doctors told me that my blood labs came back perfect and he said “whatever you’re doing, keep doing it.” He didn’t know that I’m living on meal replacements. Meal replacements are for health fanatics, understandable that not everybody would want to eat this way. But nutritionally & convenience-wise, it really is superior to food. It provides all our essential nutrients in one easy place without having to compile recipes & go shopping & figure out nutrients & mathematics & chopping vegetables & cooking & cleaning dishes. Don’t have to do any of that anymore! Perfect nutrition has never been so easy. We are living in the future. Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. And after you’ve tried it you probably won’t knock it unless you can’t handle how limited it might feel for you to live on meal replacements. It’s for health fanatics. Not everybody’s ready for that.
I lived off Soylent for a while, and it was in part the cause of NAFLD for me. I really strongly recommend against it, it is highly processed and has questionable nutrient bioavailability.
Well I started with Soylent powder in 2017, then they introduced their bottled ready-to-drink option which was great until circa 2019 they started cheaping out on ingredients & their sweetener so I switched to different brands finally landing on Jimmy Joy which is from the Netherlands. Jimmy Joy sells M.R. powders & bars & even savory soups all in a variety of flavors, and the affordability is excellent.
There’s a difference between saying “I think X, and Here’s Why: Proof” and “YOU SHOULD NEVER CONSUME X IT WILL KILL YOU”