New Xbox & AI CEO announced via Twitter ( not calling it x) the new “hybrid” console that will play Xbox and PC games.
In other words you know just a PC. Thus far it seems the system will use the exact same Xbox desktop experience as the “rog ally”.
While we all saw it coming and there isn’t much surprise. This to me says Xbox is dead as a platform.
It’s going to be expensive, it’s going to have Windows. It’s going to have co-pilot it’s going to have the same pop ups.
At least we get an Ally ROG desktop at most a Surface Gaming Desktop. Either honestly is a terrible idea. There will be most affordable options not tied to windows there will be mode powerful options at the same price. Even if you like the idea of going all in PC gaming this won’t be your best option.
If you want to stay a console gamer you’re going to have to switch teams …
RIP Xbox.
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Saying this is the death of the platform is stupid. Worst case, it’s at least better than current Xbox, which doesn’t have the option to play PC games. Yeah, it’s going to have all of M$'s spywhere and AI slop, but so would any MS device. I’m not buying this crap, but if you already wanted an Xbox then this is an improvement. Yeah, you’re better off with a PC, especially one running Linux. This has been the case for decades, yet the consoles still sell.
Death of the “platform” as in dedicated hardware designed purely to play games.
Going forward “Xbox” games will just be Windows games.
So yes by my definition, it’s dead as dead as Elvis …
Isn’t the whole point, since the Xbox One, that they didn’t want it to just play games? We don’t consider it dead just because it does more stuff. I guess you can have whatever definition you want for your personal view, but I don’t really think anyone else would agree with it. It’s still going to be a Microsoft controlled platform that’s typically in the living room on a TV. Most people would say it’s dead when they stop having a device in the living room, not when that device gets extra features.
Is anything in the tech world interesting or good any more? I remember being excited 20 years ago for new inventions. Now its slop, slop, slop, authoritarian surveillance fascism, slop slop slop
Foss projects and indie games are about the only interesting thing now.
I’ll go back to 2005 soon as someone invents a Foss time machine !
Is anything in the tech world interesting or good any more?
Steam Machine?
Imagine a non-FOSS time machine
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Non-FOSS time machine? It’s 2005 as a service. Monthly subscription.
I still tune into TechQuickie every once in awhile and I noted how start the difference is between shows like that today and five years ago. All news is bad news anymore.
Is that the show with the liars and thieves?
It’s a show about tech news?
I think you mean TechLinked
I meant TechQuickie.
But Techlinked also
Once we created standards to create everything we see today it became to expensive to invest in alternative home grown solutions. Sadly with the focus of maximizing profit over innovation most ideas just revolve around the existing infrastructure in place to do what they want. I hate it as well and everything feels very stagnant.
That and large shitty patent laws
Ironically, there are a couple of things in the tech world right now that I’m extremely interested in. But you would likely downvote me if I mentioned them.
You got downvoted for mentioning you’d get downvoted! OK, I’ll bite. Based on OP’s comments, As long as it isn’t in AI, surveillance or Microslop WIndows, maybe you have found something for us all?
As long as it isn’t in AI
Afraid I can’t help you, then.
It’s really quite ironic, this is the sort of tech that science fiction has been dreaming of for decades. And now it can’t even be mentioned in tech-oriented forums, can’t even be hinted at, without mobs of negative-nellies dumping on it.
Ah well. I continue to have fun with it, downvotes can’t stop that.
this is the sort of tech that science fiction has been dreaming of for decades.
No it isn’t. LLM’s are a fucking technological dead end and will never reach AGI’s.
Quit sucking off Sam Altman and go look into actual AI research, douchebag
Dreaming of, or warning about?
I’m anxious about being on the layoff list because I submitted my self-appraisal without reading the step that says: use ai to summarize your assessment and copy-paste to the summary field. Dammit, I wrote it myself
You just can’t quit bringing up your ai girlfriend, can you ?
You’ll note that I was asked.
So what, who cares about downvotes on Lemmy? Even one more person finding out about some awesome tech is worth it!
Unfortunately they’re just a fucking AI-bro. Not worth your time
Quite true.
Well, I guess the most games-oriented thing is that at the moment I’m generating some cover art for some music I generated earlier to use as part of a tabletop roleplaying campaign I’m in. Custom art, custom music, stuff that a few years ago would have cost me thousands of dollars to commission (and therefore that I would never have dreamed of commissioning - it’s just for me and a couple of friends). That’s pretty awesome, IMO.
This is the logical progression—the console wars were bad for consimers. I don’t mourn Xbox.
I do not trust that Microsoft will be doing anything other than pushing subscription-based streaming. Call me when they have a robust storefront selling games on par with Steam and hardware that allows you to play these games on or offline. Until then, imma press X to doubt.
Good, I’m sick of playing lowest common denominator console ports. Develop for PC and let the consoles have the degraded experience, not the other way around!
Steam Machine, Steam Deck, Steam Frame. Pick your level of console.
Steam EVA Unit is my pick.
Only if it’s Gabe shaped
If you pilot from the stomach area you would have extra padding
Worth the weight
… Thanks, I’ve discovered an entirely new form of hatred, thanks to that comment.
I need the gaben Eva to vore me
List of things I buy the instant they will take my money. Also, grapheneos phone.
If your going Pc pre built route to me Valve built is the answer.
But to me this more lies with concerns with a true blue console experience.
Most people believe Microsoft will have little no success with this strategy either. Outside of hopes to “disrupt” steam machines market share I can’t see this going anywhere.
No matter how you slice it , I think it’s over.
I had to read it several times to understand what you meant, but I suspect that you’re right.
Buying a full pc that will end up being potentially limited to gaming doesn’t really make sense. Valve has a solution that’s more integrated and probably better suited for most consumers.
Steam desktop + moonlight is sick as fk and doesn’t need new hardware.
I didn’t get one and my kids didn’t get one. Microslop!
I actually think it’s a great idea. The problem is that Microslop is behind it.
Yeah it can be , and Steam already did it and better. But it’s still not a console experience. It’s closer but it’s not equivalent. And for what Xbox has represented this isn’t it …
I think it’s “console enough” that it could still work. Current consoles are really just locked-down PCs anyways.
It’d be no different than the OtherOS functionality on first-run PS3 consoles that allowed them to boot into Linux. Perhaps simpler than that even, given that current consoles already use standard PC hardware and not the Cell architecture the PS3 ran on.
The idea is great because it didn’t come from Microslop. It’s going to be a Steam Machine competitor.
Nah, it’s been pretty clear for some time now that the next Xbox would just be a PC. I don’t think they got this idea from Valve. I’m sure that Valve helped shape their plans, though.
Good riddance. All consoles are cancer, by their walled-garden nature.
You know, I’m okay with this. If it makes PC gaming more accessible, and if it offers meaningful competition for the Steam Machine, it’s good to have options. Sure it’s Windows, but if it’s just a PC running an Xbox UX, I’m sure you could change the OS to whatever else if you want.
If anything, it does make the PS6 a less appealing choice, because why pick a dedicated console when you can get an (assuming) comparably strong, comparably priced gaming PC?
To me there is some value in having a true console experience. Put a disc in you know it works. Download a game and it plays as good as you can.
Even with Steam Deck you can download games that won’t work or won’t work well.
A lot of people don’t have the patience for that. And so long as consoles can stay under the PC equivalent price I think there will be value.
The issue is most games nowadays don’t work on day one, and you’ll probably have to download patches for it. The main selling point of plug and play for consoles is almost irrelevant with current publisher (and possible development) practices in the industry.
Thats why i just bought a dreamcast again after I had one 20 years ago. Awesome community and so many games, many of which never got popular but are so good. Consoles have few issues and are super easy to repair.
Consoles died when they ushered in “avatars” and constant internet connectivity bullshit. Xbox 360 was the start of the trash.
Dreamcast even has a nice little online gaming community now!
That doesn’t exist anymore. Can’t even play Nintendo without it asking for updates to the system and MarioKart.
There is a huge difference between waiting for an update and installing a game that may not work. It’s a huge difference then fiddling with settings and configs to get it to run smoothly or not crash
Here’s hoping it still has that functionality, I don’t see a reason why it couldn’t.
PC gaming has come a long way that most games nowadays just work, even on Linux. I’m surprised at how many games work without even forcing Proton and no bugs at all, except those that also exist for Windows. That and my controller is seamless. Even VR is working better now.
On the other side, it seems console gaming is more complex than it needed to be and we’ve seen how consoles actually hold back gaming, as a whole, like the situation with the Xbox Series S that has forced developers to either cut content or remove features to make it compatible as that is Microsoft’s requirement when developing a game to be released for their consoles. I don’t remember hearing it, but I’m sure the same is true for the PlayStation side too with the lower end model. Whereas that doesn’t happen for PC exclusive releases. If your PC won’t run it, it’s probably because it’s outdated and that’s a you problem, not something everyone else needs to suffer for because a company like Microsoft is forcing devs to make it compatible with outdated/lower end hardware.
I can’t remember trying a game on my Steam Deck and it didn’t work. Unless you mean setting up a Proton version, then I’ve had that, but the game eventually runs in 9 out of 10 cases. That is exclusive to non-Windows OSes and it could be solved by automating based on the db and make the setting easier to find and change for users, maybe even prompt the user to try another Proton version kind of like Windows’ troubleshooter when it detects a program didn’t install or run correctly. Or when devs make their games natively work with Linux/macOS like they do for Windows which is why games just work there. And if the game doesn’t run well, you just lower the settings which I’ve done for many games with no trouble. Even console games now have the same settings to lower quality to get better performance.
And this is why Sony pulled games from PC. The Steam Machine was just another reason. PCs in general are now consoles too, and Sony is afraid their traditional console loses meaning.
Consoles meant something back when commodity PC hardware was not good at playing games - at least not for a consumer-accessible price.
The specialized rendering processors of the NES and SNES and Sega Genesis could push pixels without all the distractions a CPU has, in away they were the first GPUs (although modern GPUs do a much more generalized job).
You don’t need that anymore though, a PC can do it all. You don’t even need to be on a specific OS anymore for most games.
Form factor or other novel hardware is going to be the only thing anyone can do; I think this is why Nintendo didn’t bother to make a behemoth console and try to compete with PS5
I mean, Sony & Microsoft consoles are basically PCs with a custom OS now already (PS4 onwards, and Xbox One both used x86-64 CPUs).
There are fewer and fewer reasons to buy a specific (and expensive) piece of hardware that is less flexible in terms of functionality than the alternatives, so this is Sony trying to protect their own fiefdom.
Fuck ‘em.
Sounds great honestly, locked down console hardware is such an aging concept. If Valve manages to pull off the Steam Machines, it’s proof that we’ve past the age of consoles. Except Nintendo I guess, they’ve always been a special case somehow.
i think this is a bit over dramatic. seems more the next logical step in the “console” world
This actually tracks completely with the news about an incoming Windows 12 announcement and in particular the claim about Windows 12 being modular. The description has claimed that it will make certain aspects of Windows able to be added or removed at will. Meaning options like a “minimal” desktop installation that has very few options, no PowerShell, no Terminal, no access to a majority of common Windows features, and very little control of the OS other than changing the desktop background.
In other words, this new “Project Helix” or whatever will be a stripped-down version of Windows 12 with everything non-gaming-related removed, including access to half the system settings I’m sure.
Windows central is reporting that the windows 12 rumor is bs. I think they went so far as to call it an AI slop fabricated story.
AI slop
They definitely didn’t use that terminology though, with how hard they’re pushing back against the “Microslop” term.
Windows Central? They’re not affiliated with MS, unless they also don’t like the nickname.
More importantly, it looks like PCWorld is retracting the article and has issued a post mortem on how it got published.
This is reminding me of how Ars Technica recently metaphorically stepped in it in regards to AI BS in a story less than a month ago. What an information nightmare we’re wading into
Microsoft has no interest in scaling back windows especially for the sake of user experience. The want Ai in your face they want ads for you to upgrade to office 365.
So while they could do all of this even with a modified version of Windows 11 , they won’t.
I mean, I would argue that having to pay for access to different parts of Windows, like say access to PowerShell or access to more advanced features and settings has been part of the way they make money for a long time. That’s why their used to be “Home,” “Pro,” and “Enterprise” versions all with various levels of capability. So while it looks like the original article has been debunked, I would think that offering stripped-down versions of Windows would just serve as a way to push upgrades to more full featured versions the same way they press you to upgrade to Office 365.
They can gate it , and still have you install it. Doesn’t mean they have to modulate it out. If sub === home disable things
For sure, but that always gives advanced users the option to ungate it through the registry. The benefit to them of having it be “modular” would to be able to completely restrict even power users from being able to free their OS to use how they actually want to.
Once again, the original article was debunked, so we’re talking hypotheticals here anyway, a modular version isn’t coming.
The thing that bothers me about switch to “it’s just a branded PC now” is the loss of the Xbox as a low-end performance target.
That’s one advantage of being a console gamer: Your games may never look the best, but new AAA games will come out and run acceptably well on your system, long after low-spec PCs are left for dead by publishers.
When the Steam Machine appears, it may take over that role.
Also the Steam Deck can already take over that role if the Steam Machine is too much of an ask for you. When they’re restocked, that is.
Here’s hoping 🤞
