/e/OS is not fully degoogled, as DNS connectivity checks, hardware attestation provisioning, and eSIM activation all go through Google.

It is often many weeks or months behind on security updates, especially in the WebView, which makes it easy to exploit.

It doesn’t support bootloader locking on many devices, and if you lock the bootloader on a phone that does support it, it could brick if /e/OS is on an older security patch than the stock ROM was.

It doesn’t use a lot of the hardening in GrapheneOS such as hardened_malloc which prevents memory corruption exploits, even if the hardware supports it.

And finally, /e/OS’s text-to-speech sends what you say to OpenAI, despite local options being available.

If you want a properly secure Android phone, the best option is GrapheneOS, however it only supports Pixel phones and future Motarola phones due to its high security requirements.

If you can’t get a Pixel then iOS in lockdown mode is the next best option, however if you can’t replace your phone, LineageOS is much worse than Graphene although it is still much better than /e/.

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    Are those vulnerabilities ever exploited? The stats I’m seeing say that 30% of users run outdated Android version. Most attacks are malware apps installed from Play Store and mobile phishing sites. Yes, you have 0-click vulnerabilities but is anyone really setting up spoofed BT devices in public places? I think the risk of getting your phone taken over this way is extremely low, specially if you’re doing basic things like disabling BT when not in use. Tracking on the other hand is extremely common. Most non-open source apps will connect to multiple analytics and tracking APIs. I care more about controlling those connections than about theoretical attack using some 0-day exploit. GrapheneOS doesn’t have good tools to monitor and block trackers. /e/ and iode do.

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      So you’re excusing lazy patching with improbability? Personally, I wouldn’t bet my privacy and security on a criminal’s lack of motivation.

      It’s like eating candy from a bowl in which 5 are poisoned and 5000 are harmless. It’s improbable for you to pick a poisoned candy but because the consequences of choosing wrong are so perilous, I wouldn’t choose at all or choose a bowl with less poisoned candy.

      GrapheneOS doesn’t have good tools to monitor and block trackers.

      Yes it does. Rethink has (in addition to other awesome features) a local DNS blocklist option which you can configure to automatically block almost all telemetry apps send.

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        So you’re excusing lazy patching with improbability?

        Of course I am. I’m not paranoid. You always prioritize the risks. Looks like you’re worried about highly motivated hackers targeting you specifically. That’s ok, you’re probably basing this on some sensible risk assessment and you concluded that you’re a potential target for state level actors or criminals. Maybe you’re a political activist or just very rich. I’m neither so I’m not really worried about someone targeting me specifically. I’m worried about malware (I don’t install apps from random sources) and phishing (I don’t click on random links). If you’re worried about extremely unlikely attacks you’re either wasting time or treating this as a hobby.

        DNS blocklist option which you can configure to automatically block almost all telemetry apps send.

        DNS blocklists are not enough. iode and /e/ offer more fine grained control and monitoring. You can permit some connections temporarily or permanently for specific apps only. Not to mention other features GraphenOS is missing like pattern unlock, backups or navigation shortcuts. Sacrificing all this just to be protected from very unlikely attacks is simply not worth it.

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          Looks like you’re worried about highly motivated hackers targeting you specifically.

          Not really, no.

          Not patching security vulnerabilities leaves you open to not just targeted attacks but also wide spread attacks, which also use the same exploits that nation states use. Just look at the recent Coruna debacle.

          Let me bring another analogy. You live in a town where theft and burglary is rampant. You have a lock on your front door but the lock is based on a legacy design which is not hard to pick. Sure, no one has broken into your home yet but if you keep using an antiquated lock, it’s a matter of when not if. And it’s not like only rich and important people’s houses are broken into. Everybody who’s vulnerable can and eventually will get attacked. If I had to choose between risking burglary and paying a little extra for a better lock, I’d choose the latter.

          Maybe you’re a political activist or just very rich.

          I don’t have to be a political activist to take measures to protect myself online nor rich to afford a used Pixel.

          Sacrificing all this just to be protected from very unlikely attacks is simply not worth it.

          To each their own, I guess.

          You can permit some connections temporarily or permanently for specific apps only.

          So you mean like OpenSnitch? If so, Rethink also has that.

          EDIT: grammar

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            Even coruna was specifically targeting crypto wallets. Some articles say it was a ‘broad scale’ attack but I can’t find any info about how it was distributed. Anyway, if you’re using crypto wallets you have to be more careful. Traditional banking is protected by TFA and very often additionally insured. Again, risk assessment.

            Oh, and I tried Rethink but it works as a VPN so you can’t use other VPN apps with it. The app iode has can be used with any other VPN.