The simple reality is that islam is a fascist religion and are willing to live in peace with a Jewish state of any borders, look up the 1948 UN partition, whereas Israel has made numerous offers and concessions to peace over the year.
I promise you any thing you say for why pals are justified in their actions because of their oppression is a distortion of history, that pals have started every single conflict.
Unless your position is that the quaran was revealed to Mohamed by God and Hamas has interpreted correctly to say that there can only be Muslim nations in the world then you are supporting fascist idiotic terrorists.
Jews are the natives of the land, you can see there is a mosque built on the Jewish temple, Islam is the colonizer, islam is intolerant, and it’s not just in Israel, it’s in many countries
Yeah, because the Tanakh is so benevolent and all iterations of it are peaceful. Fuck this Sam Harris justification for Islamophobia. All these religions can be fascist, all these religions can be peaceful.
Followers of Islam once carried on the spirit of enlightenment and philosophy while Christians were in the depths of their dark ages. They maintained the knowledge that came from across the old world, while making essential contributions to important things like: The scientific method, social science as a field, economics, culture, and mathematics.
Where the fuck do you think Arabic numerals like 1, 9, or 0 came from? Europe? No. They were invented in India and spread through the world by Islamic cultures and states. Everyone on earth uses these numerals, a universal human language, all thanks to the Islamic world.
So fuck your assertions that Islam is a uniquely terrible religion. If Islam is a religion that can’t exist in a peaceful world, no religion can exist in a peaceful world. How can a religion that helped everyone speak the same language, that has historically existed at the crossroads between Europe, Asia, and Africa, be incompatible with other cultures? It’s a non factor in the discussion of Palestine and Israel.
And I’ve seen your approach of equating opposition to Israel killing innocents with endorsement of Hamas way, way too many times.
It’s a tired approach, but it is often successful.
I want Hamas to stop existing, full stop. However, I don’t think Isreal gets any closer to destroying Hamas using their current strategy. The only way it could work is if they kill all Palestinians, which is not at all acceptable.
The israelis who have been victimized by terror for decades seem to have given up caring what you think of their approach. If Palestinians continue to defend and cooperate with Hamas, they will absolutely be putting themselves at risk - they are making themselves combatants by the Geneva convention.
Not all Palestinians are Hamas, no one is saying that. Until the Palestinians start putting a divide between who’s supporting Hamas (thousands of people cheering over a raped and brutalized body of a hostage? That’s supporting Hamas just so we’re clear) and who’s not they’re all at risk. Running to the roof of a building as a human shield, putting yourself intentionally at risk after being warned? Also supporting Hamas.
Israelis nor Palestinians will be safe until Hamas has been removed from their hold on the strip. That’s the reality that the western world understands and has shown support for.
It is true that Isreal has ultimate say over what they do. That said, many Israelis have always opposed their country’s treatment of Palestinians. Many Palestinians with influence abroad condemn Hamas, but people see their concern for innocent civilians and filter out their condemnation of Hamas. There are Palestinians making the divide, but y’all refuse to listen to them or other people that stand by them.
There are dumbasses who support Hamas, but most people that oppose Isreal’s campaign don’t. The Harvard students who’ve been harassed for a statement they made copied most of their statement from an Israeli newspaper. They did not defend Hamas. The Jewish activists who sat in at the US Capitol did not defend Hamas, but people claimed they did. Even if you’re a Jewish Israeli, you can’t even critique Isreal’s response without people claiming you love Hamas. It’s some McCarthyism shit, and you’re perpetuating it.
This all comes back to my point that Israel’s strategy won’t work. I want Hamas destroyed, but I recognize that the IDF has failed to weaken Hamas for decades, and cannot be trusted to do it now. In fact, their current warpath is exactly what Hamas wants them to do. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, they only want to rule over them. You think Hamas didn’t expect Isreal to do exactly what they’ve been doing? They wanted Isreal to act like an existential threat, because that pushes Palestinians into seeing Hamas as the only option. The biggest treat to Hamas is a more moderate Isreal. The internal Israeli resistance to Netanyahu was the real threat to Hamas’ power, as Bibi has long worked to weaken the PLO more than Hamas.
ISIS and hamas are not enlightened islam, a religion follows it’s interpretation and what ISIS and Hamas do is blasphemy. Islam is not from God, it may have worked in the middle ages but now people who are reading it are insane fundamentalist. There are peaceful Muslims but not the mullahs in Iran, or ISIS or Hamas. Yes the bible says to kill people who violate the sabbath but functionally speaking no one is killed for violating the sabbath and it was not even interpreted that way in biblical times. The war musings of the quaran are interpreted this way by Muslims around the world.
Even if there are more fundamentalist Muslims today than fundamentalist Christians, that does not mean the entire religion cannot exist in a peaceful world. Certain sects and interpretations might be unacceptable, but as long as there is a single Muslim that works towards peace and coexistence, a single peaceful interpretation of the Quran, you can’t say we should not tolerate Islam. This absolutism is evil, stupid, and you should feel bad for falling into bigotry. Just make a distinction between theocratic fascists and religious people. Stop equating the two.
There are way more fundamentalist Muslims and further more fundamentalist Christians are not dangerous, the religion of the New testament is love and evangelism. The Spanish inquisition was not based on anything from the bible.
In islam it is not a far fetched interpretation to say that the world should be violently conquered in the name of islam, they follows from a simple reading and the leaders of many Arab governments such as Iran follow it. Half of Iran hates this fundamentalist interpretation but the other half doesn’t and they are dangerous. And throughout the Muslim world - the 911 hijackers, ISIS, Hamas there are these extremists. Yes it is possible to have a peaceful islam they coexists but it’s also possible that islamic fascism will be predominate and it is dangerous and it should be fought
You must have a very strange definition of Christian fundamentalism, because the people I would describe as fundamentalists are absolutely a threat. You also seem to think that people don’t use Bible passages to justify basically anything while still claiming only their interpretation is valid. These people think of themselves as having the actual, literal interpretation of the Bible.
What pisses me off the most is that fascist Christians are the biggest threat to me personally. They’re the people calling for people like me to be eradicated from public life or straight up killed. I’m not over here arguing that we should do the same thing to Christians that you endorse against Muslims.
Even if the Bible had no passages encouraging fucked up behavior, the existence of Christian fascists shows that the content of the religious text does not prevent a religion from fueling fascism.
So what you are gay or trans? Show me the worst thing a Christian fascist has done. In gaza you would be killed, it would be endorsed by the government, it is routine they they kill gays, you know that right ?
In Christianity there are a wide range of interpretations but the text of the bible does not say to violently impose Christianity on the world, that is one reason why there are much fewer christian fundamentalist. The text of the quaran does say to violently impose islam, that is why it’s much more dangerous as that is what crazy fundamentalist read.
Aside from the hate crimes, mass shootings, and kicking queer kids out of the house that’s standard in America, states like Florida have made it impossible for even many adults to get gender affirming care among other things. They want to impose their gender ideology everywhere they can and would not hesitate to pass federal bans on people like me. There are prominent, self proclaimed Christian nationalists in congress, and they are not a fringe minority. Almost half of Republicans believe America should reject secularism and officially become a Christian nation. The current Republican speaker of the House wants to get rid of the separation of church and state for crying out loud.
Christian nationalists want to do the same thing Islamic theocracies can do. They cheer whenever opposing fascists attack a common enemy. I take these evil bastards at their word. When a fascist tells you what they’ll do with power, believe them. I’m not going to wait for the concentration camps and you shouldn’t either. If you can’t accept that a group is genocidal until they actually carry it out, you’ll never do anything to prevent it. That would make you less than useless.
It’s terrible that fascists like Hamas rule Gaza. No matter how much you want me to be a foolish queer who thinks Hamas are the good guys, that will never be the case. It would be great if you were to question why you assumed that, but you won’t, because then you might realize how terrible it is that you’re supporting genocide.
Well I’m glad that you oppose Hamas, but you would not do well in any Arab country. However bad you believe Christians are in America if you were in any Muslim country they would literally kill you.
Gender transition has been legal in america for decades, the debates from Christians are if you can do it as a child, if you can do it for free… No one is trying to kill you at an organized level, there may be lone wolf terrorists like the Muslim who shot up the gay night club in Orlando but it’s not like after that happened people were celebrating in the streets applauding what he did, how would you feel if after that gay night club shooting that people came out in the thousands to support him? No he was arrested and no one, not any christian endorsed it.
There are not Christians who say explicitly things like 'all people have to be Christians ’ or ‘we.should kill all gays’, that is literally what they say in Muslim countries, that.all gays should be killed, that.all Jews should be killed, that all places.shouldnl follow Muslim law. There fighting is not the result of a brutal occupation, it is their ideaology and they are occupied and oppressed because of it, because of they weren’t suppressed they’d be murderous.
The simple reality is that islam is a fascist religion and are willing to live in peace with a Jewish state of any borders, look up the 1948 UN partition, whereas Israel has made numerous offers and concessions to peace over the year.
I promise you any thing you say for why pals are justified in their actions because of their oppression is a distortion of history, that pals have started every single conflict.
Unless your position is that the quaran was revealed to Mohamed by God and Hamas has interpreted correctly to say that there can only be Muslim nations in the world then you are supporting fascist idiotic terrorists.
Jews are the natives of the land, you can see there is a mosque built on the Jewish temple, Islam is the colonizer, islam is intolerant, and it’s not just in Israel, it’s in many countries
Yeah, because the Tanakh is so benevolent and all iterations of it are peaceful. Fuck this Sam Harris justification for Islamophobia. All these religions can be fascist, all these religions can be peaceful.
Followers of Islam once carried on the spirit of enlightenment and philosophy while Christians were in the depths of their dark ages. They maintained the knowledge that came from across the old world, while making essential contributions to important things like: The scientific method, social science as a field, economics, culture, and mathematics.
Where the fuck do you think Arabic numerals like 1, 9, or 0 came from? Europe? No. They were invented in India and spread through the world by Islamic cultures and states. Everyone on earth uses these numerals, a universal human language, all thanks to the Islamic world.
So fuck your assertions that Islam is a uniquely terrible religion. If Islam is a religion that can’t exist in a peaceful world, no religion can exist in a peaceful world. How can a religion that helped everyone speak the same language, that has historically existed at the crossroads between Europe, Asia, and Africa, be incompatible with other cultures? It’s a non factor in the discussion of Palestine and Israel.
I’ve never seen a defense of terrorism by way of math before.
Interesting approach. Not successful though.
And I’ve seen your approach of equating opposition to Israel killing innocents with endorsement of Hamas way, way too many times.
It’s a tired approach, but it is often successful.
I want Hamas to stop existing, full stop. However, I don’t think Isreal gets any closer to destroying Hamas using their current strategy. The only way it could work is if they kill all Palestinians, which is not at all acceptable.
The israelis who have been victimized by terror for decades seem to have given up caring what you think of their approach. If Palestinians continue to defend and cooperate with Hamas, they will absolutely be putting themselves at risk - they are making themselves combatants by the Geneva convention.
Not all Palestinians are Hamas, no one is saying that. Until the Palestinians start putting a divide between who’s supporting Hamas (thousands of people cheering over a raped and brutalized body of a hostage? That’s supporting Hamas just so we’re clear) and who’s not they’re all at risk. Running to the roof of a building as a human shield, putting yourself intentionally at risk after being warned? Also supporting Hamas.
Israelis nor Palestinians will be safe until Hamas has been removed from their hold on the strip. That’s the reality that the western world understands and has shown support for.
It is true that Isreal has ultimate say over what they do. That said, many Israelis have always opposed their country’s treatment of Palestinians. Many Palestinians with influence abroad condemn Hamas, but people see their concern for innocent civilians and filter out their condemnation of Hamas. There are Palestinians making the divide, but y’all refuse to listen to them or other people that stand by them.
There are dumbasses who support Hamas, but most people that oppose Isreal’s campaign don’t. The Harvard students who’ve been harassed for a statement they made copied most of their statement from an Israeli newspaper. They did not defend Hamas. The Jewish activists who sat in at the US Capitol did not defend Hamas, but people claimed they did. Even if you’re a Jewish Israeli, you can’t even critique Isreal’s response without people claiming you love Hamas. It’s some McCarthyism shit, and you’re perpetuating it.
This all comes back to my point that Israel’s strategy won’t work. I want Hamas destroyed, but I recognize that the IDF has failed to weaken Hamas for decades, and cannot be trusted to do it now. In fact, their current warpath is exactly what Hamas wants them to do. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians, they only want to rule over them. You think Hamas didn’t expect Isreal to do exactly what they’ve been doing? They wanted Isreal to act like an existential threat, because that pushes Palestinians into seeing Hamas as the only option. The biggest treat to Hamas is a more moderate Isreal. The internal Israeli resistance to Netanyahu was the real threat to Hamas’ power, as Bibi has long worked to weaken the PLO more than Hamas.
ISIS and hamas are not enlightened islam, a religion follows it’s interpretation and what ISIS and Hamas do is blasphemy. Islam is not from God, it may have worked in the middle ages but now people who are reading it are insane fundamentalist. There are peaceful Muslims but not the mullahs in Iran, or ISIS or Hamas. Yes the bible says to kill people who violate the sabbath but functionally speaking no one is killed for violating the sabbath and it was not even interpreted that way in biblical times. The war musings of the quaran are interpreted this way by Muslims around the world.
Even if there are more fundamentalist Muslims today than fundamentalist Christians, that does not mean the entire religion cannot exist in a peaceful world. Certain sects and interpretations might be unacceptable, but as long as there is a single Muslim that works towards peace and coexistence, a single peaceful interpretation of the Quran, you can’t say we should not tolerate Islam. This absolutism is evil, stupid, and you should feel bad for falling into bigotry. Just make a distinction between theocratic fascists and religious people. Stop equating the two.
There are way more fundamentalist Muslims and further more fundamentalist Christians are not dangerous, the religion of the New testament is love and evangelism. The Spanish inquisition was not based on anything from the bible.
In islam it is not a far fetched interpretation to say that the world should be violently conquered in the name of islam, they follows from a simple reading and the leaders of many Arab governments such as Iran follow it. Half of Iran hates this fundamentalist interpretation but the other half doesn’t and they are dangerous. And throughout the Muslim world - the 911 hijackers, ISIS, Hamas there are these extremists. Yes it is possible to have a peaceful islam they coexists but it’s also possible that islamic fascism will be predominate and it is dangerous and it should be fought
You must have a very strange definition of Christian fundamentalism, because the people I would describe as fundamentalists are absolutely a threat. You also seem to think that people don’t use Bible passages to justify basically anything while still claiming only their interpretation is valid. These people think of themselves as having the actual, literal interpretation of the Bible.
What pisses me off the most is that fascist Christians are the biggest threat to me personally. They’re the people calling for people like me to be eradicated from public life or straight up killed. I’m not over here arguing that we should do the same thing to Christians that you endorse against Muslims.
Even if the Bible had no passages encouraging fucked up behavior, the existence of Christian fascists shows that the content of the religious text does not prevent a religion from fueling fascism.
So what you are gay or trans? Show me the worst thing a Christian fascist has done. In gaza you would be killed, it would be endorsed by the government, it is routine they they kill gays, you know that right ?
In Christianity there are a wide range of interpretations but the text of the bible does not say to violently impose Christianity on the world, that is one reason why there are much fewer christian fundamentalist. The text of the quaran does say to violently impose islam, that is why it’s much more dangerous as that is what crazy fundamentalist read.
Aside from the hate crimes, mass shootings, and kicking queer kids out of the house that’s standard in America, states like Florida have made it impossible for even many adults to get gender affirming care among other things. They want to impose their gender ideology everywhere they can and would not hesitate to pass federal bans on people like me. There are prominent, self proclaimed Christian nationalists in congress, and they are not a fringe minority. Almost half of Republicans believe America should reject secularism and officially become a Christian nation. The current Republican speaker of the House wants to get rid of the separation of church and state for crying out loud.
Christian nationalists want to do the same thing Islamic theocracies can do. They cheer whenever opposing fascists attack a common enemy. I take these evil bastards at their word. When a fascist tells you what they’ll do with power, believe them. I’m not going to wait for the concentration camps and you shouldn’t either. If you can’t accept that a group is genocidal until they actually carry it out, you’ll never do anything to prevent it. That would make you less than useless.
It’s terrible that fascists like Hamas rule Gaza. No matter how much you want me to be a foolish queer who thinks Hamas are the good guys, that will never be the case. It would be great if you were to question why you assumed that, but you won’t, because then you might realize how terrible it is that you’re supporting genocide.
Well I’m glad that you oppose Hamas, but you would not do well in any Arab country. However bad you believe Christians are in America if you were in any Muslim country they would literally kill you.
Gender transition has been legal in america for decades, the debates from Christians are if you can do it as a child, if you can do it for free… No one is trying to kill you at an organized level, there may be lone wolf terrorists like the Muslim who shot up the gay night club in Orlando but it’s not like after that happened people were celebrating in the streets applauding what he did, how would you feel if after that gay night club shooting that people came out in the thousands to support him? No he was arrested and no one, not any christian endorsed it.
There are not Christians who say explicitly things like 'all people have to be Christians ’ or ‘we.should kill all gays’, that is literally what they say in Muslim countries, that.all gays should be killed, that.all Jews should be killed, that all places.shouldnl follow Muslim law. There fighting is not the result of a brutal occupation, it is their ideaology and they are occupied and oppressed because of it, because of they weren’t suppressed they’d be murderous.
You should look at the Hasbara to help with your discourse.