Israeli defence officials and former senior intelligence officers have said they expect fighting in Gaza to continue for at least a year, raising the prospect of thousands more civilian casualties, a deepening humanitarian crisis and a continuing grave threat to regional stability.

In a briefing, R Adm Daniel Hagari, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), said the centre and south of Gaza, where military efforts are now focused, was “dense and saturated with terrorists” with “an underground city of branching tunnels”.

Three months would be needed to clear the area and fighting would “continue during the year 2024”, Hagari said.

He said scattered fighting was to be expected in northern Gaza, along with rockets sporadically being launched from there toward Israel, but that Hamas militants were “without a framework and without commanders”.

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    Nice job ignoring the rest of the links that addressed those points. You accuse me of cherry picking while you literally cherry pick. It’s weird that you ignore the ethnic cleansing campaign Plan Dalet; the war for israel independence is too complicated to summarize but it’s talked about extensively in the first and third book I mention in the following. If you don’t like mondoweiss that’s fine, I linked because it shows the points Ilan Pappe makes in his works, not because it’s mondoweiss.

    If you care to learn more, I urge you to read or listen to the books

    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

    The Biggest Prison on Earth A History of the Occupied Territories

    A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples

    Each by Ilan Pappe who uses official Israeli documents, testimonies by Israeli officials, Arab sources, and oral history to piece together a comprehensive history of Israel and Palestine. I’m sure you’ll discredit it as bias, which it is, he says so himself. But that doesn’t change how credible his work is. Go into it with a skeptical eye and verify everything he talks about on your own. It’s a deep dive but it’s worth it.

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      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

      There’s a whole section for you on the disagreements between historians on Plan Dalet. With references, if you want to read something that doesn’t support confirmation bias.

      There’s no innocent parties in this conflict. That’s always a point I’m clear on. This is why portraying the Palestinians as poor angelic victims and Israel as (most commonly on worldnews) genocidal nazis is stupid.

      I can list many, many Israeli war crimes. I’d love to see Bibi and many Likud members tried at the ICJ or ICC and convicted of war crimes. But I can also list the same thing for the Palestinian Arabs and their descendents who are now stateless.

      Both groups have a long history of war crimes. Unlike Lemmy users who had an underdog fantasy boner slathered in anti-israeli and anti-Jewish hatred.

      Most of my reading right now is trying to understand when an actual Palestinian identity arose. With respect to the fact that in the Ottoman empire, things were mostly tribal and family, and that type of nationalism wasn’t a thing.

      PS: I think much could have been avoided if the Palestinian Arabs had not rejected 2 state solution like 4 or 5 times. (Pre and post 48)

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        Stop strawman-ing me, dude. I’m for a one-state solution with equal rights for all. I’d rather you look at my comment history instead of straight up fabricating what I believe. It’s clear you don’t understand the full context of the peace talks both pre and post 48 if that’s how you see it. Check the intercept link to learn more.

        Don’t confuse bias for credibility. Pappe is biased towards Palestinian emancipation. He explains his position and why in his introductions instead of hiding his bias like some Historians such as Benny Morris.

        Here’s Pappe’s response to Benny Morris, where he debunks Morris’ claims:

        https://electronicintifada.net/content/response-benny-morris-politics-other-means-new-republic/5040

        CAMERA criticisms are easily debunked as seen here:

        https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/42571

        https://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/we-must-expel-arabs-and-take-their-place-institute-for-palestine-studies-publishes-1937-ben-gurion-letter-advocating-the-expulsion-of-palestinians/

        “Ben-Gurion’s 5 October 1937 letter thoroughly vindicates Ilan Pappé’s reading; indeed, the Pappé quotes to which CAMERA objects seem almost mild when compared to the actual words Ben-Gurion penned to his son. The more literal translation of the Ben-Gurion direct quote (“We must expel Arabs and take their place”) is actually stronger than Pappé’s freer rendering (“The Arabs must go”), although the meaning is basically the same. As for Pappé’s paraphrase, it is as accurate and comprehensive as any so succinct a sentence could possibly be.”

        There’s plenty of reputable historians praising Pappe’s work and credibility. You can find links to them in his wiki page.

        If you’re reading up on the subject, you might as well add one of his books to your list. The third book I referenced has a detailed account of the Palestinian people since around the 1920s if you want to learn more about them.