Israeli defence officials and former senior intelligence officers have said they expect fighting in Gaza to continue for at least a year, raising the prospect of thousands more civilian casualties, a deepening humanitarian crisis and a continuing grave threat to regional stability.
In a briefing, R Adm Daniel Hagari, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), said the centre and south of Gaza, where military efforts are now focused, was “dense and saturated with terrorists” with “an underground city of branching tunnels”.
Three months would be needed to clear the area and fighting would “continue during the year 2024”, Hagari said.
He said scattered fighting was to be expected in northern Gaza, along with rockets sporadically being launched from there toward Israel, but that Hamas militants were “without a framework and without commanders”.
With an estimated 60% of homes plowed over in the last 3 months, 1 year can only be seen as an extermination action.
This is Israel declaring genocide.
Earlier today, they announced that they had eliminated Hamas in northern Gaza. So they can only be targeting the areas they told everyone it was safe to evacuate to.
I don’t know: is there some reason the Israelis might want Trump in the White House?
He’d help them go even harder
I don’t know: is there some reason the Israelis might want Trump in the White House?
With endless support from Biden it appears Biden wants Trump in the White House.
Genocide is literally Hamas’ founding goal. I’m glad they’re being hunted down and eliminated.
23,000 dead Palestines, 8,000 of them dead kids, untold numbers mutilated or maimed, 2 million people without homes or shelter, everyone in Gaza starving to death, Israel killing noncombatants at a whim and youre “glad” about what Isreal is doing.
At least you’re honest about being genocidal.
I’ll give Zionists this much: Unlike the Nazis, they don’t pretend to be the good guys.
In the fantasies of worldnews lemmy alt-left MHGA, yes.
Wow, them, too?
Over 8,000 of them terrorist fighters. All of whom intentionally caused as many of the other deaths as possible. All in the hopes that weak minded people with poor reasoning would ignore that what got the others killed is Hamas’s war crime (literally) of colocation.
Hamas support is at an all time high. Their charter is literally genocide. But Hamas killing Gaza residents works, just look at the parade of stupid on WorldNews.
So Israel killed a child and a civilian for every single “enemy combatant” (i.e male over 13) and that makes you happy?
You’re okay with 2 million people being homeless, starving to death, with hundreds of thousands injured and maimed? With Israel’s Ministers of security calling for mass deportation of Palestinians? With the outright murder of journalists?
Your stance is clear. You support genocide as long as its killing people you hate. That makes you something much worse than weak minded. It makes you a monster.
There’s way too much white noise surrounding this conflict to trust any source aside from your own eyes.
Youre likely right. Israel destroyed all of the telecommunication infastructure and has killed more journalists than any other modern conflict, so the information is likely out of date. With 40% of Gaza population being children, there are likely more dead kids from direct attacks, bombings, or starvation.
I expect the numbers of dead civilians and children are actually much worse.
In every war, you want to destroy the communications capabilities of your enemies–in this case Hamas. It’s a very basic military tactic (throughout the history of warfare), I get you’re trying to tin-foil-hat this into a conspiracy and fake story but that’s silly.
Then how do you know it’s even happening?
For your convenience:
https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
https://forward.com/news/470923/israel-land-conquest-1967-occupation-six-day-war-plans/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/israel-palestine-one-state-solution
https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace
This lets me know who you are, it’s helpful when people post sources like mondoweiss:
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY Reasoning: Propaganda, Hate Group, Misinformation
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mondoweiss/
But if we want to do low effort grabs from anywhere on the net, that’s easy:
The Jerusalem Mufti Hajj Amin Husseini, the leader of the Palestinian Arabs from the early 1920s to the late 1940s, said in his testimony to the British Peel Commission, established in January 1937 to find a way forward for cooperation between Arabs and Jews in Palestine, “Most residents of Jewish lands will not be awarded citizenship in our future country.” The Mufti suggested that the Jews be deported from Palestine. Rejecting the idea of a Jewish state, he promised that if such a state were established, every last Jew would be expelled from a Palestinian Arab state.
And I mean in hindsight Mufti wasn’t wrong, it’s just that it was virtually ALL the Arab & Muslim states that expelled the Jews and stole their land. 800,000+ of them. I know YOU don’t care about that because they were Jewish, and you’re not upset on principal otherwise you would care and note it. You’re attempting to make some one-sided nonsense alt-left MHGA fantasy narrative.
Palestinians maybe in hindsight shouldn’t have REJECTED the 1947 partition (you know where Palestinian Jews said, two states is fine with us and Palestinian Arabs said fuck no), which would have also made them a state. They did so hoping to eliminate all the Jews or at least hoping all the Arab states would in the multiple wars that followed which fortunately the Arabs lost. It’s weird that your cherry-picked bullshit doesn’t mention the collation of Arab states who attacked as soon as Israel was a state, assuming they’d destroy Israel and all the Jews. Oh right, you’re creating a false narrative. Nevermind, I get it. Though to your credit, you included propaganda that attempts to essentially tin-foil hat blame Israel for the 67 war in which multiple arab states attacked together to destroy it. Just wow.
Arafat cut his teeth on rejecting the existence and legitimacy of Israel. He was a militant and terrorist, before he learned to grift the Palestinians and embezzle all those $$$.
Oslo accords, the Palestinians went all in on suicide bombers and terrorism. Killing as many civilians as they could to derail it. This was the birth of today’s modern Hamas. It’s where they gained their ground, and enough power that they could ultimately ensure Bibi would get elected over Perez by less than 1%. Because war and dead Palestinians are Hamas’s primary tactic with their FOUNDING goal, the genocide of Israel.
Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas’s genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping > with Hamas’s explicit aims and stated objectives. It was, in fact, the inchoate realization of Hamas’s true ambitions.
The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:
- The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
- The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
- The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
- The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.
And unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, Hamas’s actions through the decades and in OCTOBER are very clear that this is not a misinterpretation.I mean this nonsense shit of your is bush league, things like attempting to cherry pick historical events and disingenuously omit others to create a false narrative. I can give you link after link of Palestinians (and any modern Arab nation) calling for the destruction and genocide of Israel. There’s plenty on all the violence pre-establishment of Israel.
Probably best to quit your bullshit. There are no innocent parties here. And right now Hamas is more popular than they’ve ever been. They’re Gaza’s government and if a vote were held today, they’d also be the West Bank’s government. They have constantly growing and majority support by the Palestinians, including in Gaza where they were first elected.
Nice job ignoring the rest of the links that addressed those points. You accuse me of cherry picking while you literally cherry pick. It’s weird that you ignore the ethnic cleansing campaign Plan Dalet; the war for israel independence is too complicated to summarize but it’s talked about extensively in the first and third book I mention in the following. If you don’t like mondoweiss that’s fine, I linked because it shows the points Ilan Pappe makes in his works, not because it’s mondoweiss.
If you care to learn more, I urge you to read or listen to the books
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
The Biggest Prison on Earth A History of the Occupied Territories
A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples
Each by Ilan Pappe who uses official Israeli documents, testimonies by Israeli officials, Arab sources, and oral history to piece together a comprehensive history of Israel and Palestine. I’m sure you’ll discredit it as bias, which it is, he says so himself. But that doesn’t change how credible his work is. Go into it with a skeptical eye and verify everything he talks about on your own. It’s a deep dive but it’s worth it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet
There’s a whole section for you on the disagreements between historians on Plan Dalet. With references, if you want to read something that doesn’t support confirmation bias.
There’s no innocent parties in this conflict. That’s always a point I’m clear on. This is why portraying the Palestinians as poor angelic victims and Israel as (most commonly on worldnews) genocidal nazis is stupid.
I can list many, many Israeli war crimes. I’d love to see Bibi and many Likud members tried at the ICJ or ICC and convicted of war crimes. But I can also list the same thing for the Palestinian Arabs and their descendents who are now stateless.
Both groups have a long history of war crimes. Unlike Lemmy users who had an underdog fantasy boner slathered in anti-israeli and anti-Jewish hatred.
Most of my reading right now is trying to understand when an actual Palestinian identity arose. With respect to the fact that in the Ottoman empire, things were mostly tribal and family, and that type of nationalism wasn’t a thing.
PS: I think much could have been avoided if the Palestinian Arabs had not rejected 2 state solution like 4 or 5 times. (Pre and post 48)
Stop strawman-ing me, dude. I’m for a one-state solution with equal rights for all. I’d rather you look at my comment history instead of straight up fabricating what I believe. It’s clear you don’t understand the full context of the peace talks both pre and post 48 if that’s how you see it. Check the intercept link to learn more.
Don’t confuse bias for credibility. Pappe is biased towards Palestinian emancipation. He explains his position and why in his introductions instead of hiding his bias like some Historians such as Benny Morris.
Here’s Pappe’s response to Benny Morris, where he debunks Morris’ claims:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/response-benny-morris-politics-other-means-new-republic/5040
CAMERA criticisms are easily debunked as seen here:
https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/42571
“Ben-Gurion’s 5 October 1937 letter thoroughly vindicates Ilan Pappé’s reading; indeed, the Pappé quotes to which CAMERA objects seem almost mild when compared to the actual words Ben-Gurion penned to his son. The more literal translation of the Ben-Gurion direct quote (“We must expel Arabs and take their place”) is actually stronger than Pappé’s freer rendering (“The Arabs must go”), although the meaning is basically the same. As for Pappé’s paraphrase, it is as accurate and comprehensive as any so succinct a sentence could possibly be.”
There’s plenty of reputable historians praising Pappe’s work and credibility. You can find links to them in his wiki page.
If you’re reading up on the subject, you might as well add one of his books to your list. The third book I referenced has a detailed account of the Palestinian people since around the 1920s if you want to learn more about them.
Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there’s one you’re bound to divide it
Right in two -Tool
