Lemmy users be like „I fucking love decentralized freedom“, until someone joins they don’t like.
No, especially when someone joins that we don’t like. The ability to defederate is the freedom that comes with decentralisation. If there were no bad actors decentralisation wouldn’t be so important.
free association includes the freedom to not associate.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where the aliens campaign for the US presidency, and can’t figure out why “abortions for all” and “abortions for none” are both unpopular opinions.
In other words, it’s about freedom of choice, not mandatory association.
Firstly, the notion that Lemmings are xenophobic is false. While there’s evidence to support this claim, on closer inspection you’ll see the issue isn’t about embracing new platforms, but the type of platforms. This attitude goes beyond the Threadiverse and is in fact one of the fundamental attitudes of the fediverse, as exhibited with corporate instances getting fediblocked on mastodon.
To suggest that everyone is petty because they’re not embracing corporations is a giant stretch.
Counter to the outright lie that’s being peddled here is the excitement about NodeBB and its ActivityPub implementation.
Secondly, people hate Facebook and rightfully so.
Thirdly, BlueSky is still a corporation who, doesn’t implement ActivityPub and have built a platform that pretends to give people power while hoarding all the real power for themselves.
It ain’t about people they don’t like, it’s about a powerful corporation known to be abusive, psychologically manipulative and unafraid to break laws so long as it benefits them.
You wouldn’t want such an entity under your roof either
No, but I would like to bring some of my friends and family members who use Facebook over to the Fediverse, and I believe it’s easier if they can already see what it’s like.
If you think just linking an URL is enough to persuade people to join, either you are surrounded by exceptionally tech savvy people, or you never actually tried. Getting some people to make a Mastodon account is harder than pulling teeth.
But if they were already peeking from the window, maybe they just might.
You have a point Threads will definitely try to skew the experience in some way, but if they make it too bad, they will be the ones looking bad for it, because the average Meta user doesn’t even know what the Fediverse is. So they need to show some good stuff too.
And really, I don’t know who is it that y’all are imagining that dropped Facebook and Twitter for ActivityPub, but they’ll jump back in as soon as they get a whiff. I actually tried Threads. It sucks. Why would folks give up on the Fediverse for it?
If I wasn’t trying to get away from Meta I wouldn’t be on fucking lemmy I’d be on facebook. The whole point of me being here is I am trying to get away from them and other big tech platforms :)
I don’t wanna be that guy, but Lemmy has had, and continues TO HAVE a very noticeable problem with tankies that does impact its reach. None of the people I know want to hang out here because its married to the hip with tankies.
Lemmy users be like „I fucking love decentralized freedom“, until someone joins they don’t like.
No, especially when someone joins that we don’t like. The ability to defederate is the freedom that comes with decentralisation. If there were no bad actors decentralisation wouldn’t be so important.
This.
There’s no “fediverse” to join. It’s not an actual place with boundaries and codified rules, beyond those imposed by the communication protocol.
It’s a free association content sharing network, and free association includes the freedom to not associate.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where the aliens campaign for the US presidency, and can’t figure out why “abortions for all” and “abortions for none” are both unpopular opinions.
In other words, it’s about freedom of choice, not mandatory association.
Absolutely. The Fediverse has some gross ass places I don’t want to touch with a 10-foot pole.
I think you’re conflating a couple things here.
Firstly, the notion that Lemmings are xenophobic is false. While there’s evidence to support this claim, on closer inspection you’ll see the issue isn’t about embracing new platforms, but the type of platforms. This attitude goes beyond the Threadiverse and is in fact one of the fundamental attitudes of the fediverse, as exhibited with corporate instances getting fediblocked on mastodon.
To suggest that everyone is petty because they’re not embracing corporations is a giant stretch.
Counter to the outright lie that’s being peddled here is the excitement about NodeBB and its ActivityPub implementation.
Secondly, people hate Facebook and rightfully so.
Thirdly, BlueSky is still a corporation who, doesn’t implement ActivityPub and have built a platform that pretends to give people power while hoarding all the real power for themselves.
Also, corporations aren’t “someones”.
It ain’t about people they don’t like, it’s about a powerful corporation known to be abusive, psychologically manipulative and unafraid to break laws so long as it benefits them.
You wouldn’t want such an entity under your roof either
No, but I would like to bring some of my friends and family members who use Facebook over to the Fediverse, and I believe it’s easier if they can already see what it’s like.
Then give them a URL link to a good instance.
Do you really expect Threads to provide a fair, uncompromised experience of the Fediverse when it’s actively against their interests to do so?
If you think just linking an URL is enough to persuade people to join, either you are surrounded by exceptionally tech savvy people, or you never actually tried. Getting some people to make a Mastodon account is harder than pulling teeth.
But if they were already peeking from the window, maybe they just might.
You have a point Threads will definitely try to skew the experience in some way, but if they make it too bad, they will be the ones looking bad for it, because the average Meta user doesn’t even know what the Fediverse is. So they need to show some good stuff too.
And really, I don’t know who is it that y’all are imagining that dropped Facebook and Twitter for ActivityPub, but they’ll jump back in as soon as they get a whiff. I actually tried Threads. It sucks. Why would folks give up on the Fediverse for it?
Freedom doesn’t mean tolerating racism and hatred.
It’s not the freedom of federating. It’s the freedom of being outside corpo.
If I wasn’t trying to get away from Meta I wouldn’t be on fucking lemmy I’d be on facebook. The whole point of me being here is I am trying to get away from them and other big tech platforms :)
You come to the fediverse for a reason.
I don’t wanna be that guy, but Lemmy has had, and continues TO HAVE a very noticeable problem with tankies that does impact its reach. None of the people I know want to hang out here because its married to the hip with tankies.
Tell them to join an instance that doesn’t federate with tankies 🤷