At some point in this millenium, it became ubiquitous in games to ask for a button press before switching to the main menu and it has become a pet peeve off mine.

Why is that there? It’s your main menu so ugly that you have to shield players from it? Why can I not double click the game Icon, go to the kitchen to get coffee and return to the PC/console to find myself in the main menu ready to continue my game? Seriously, cui bono? Sometimes, they even show a different screen before that press, which some artist got paid for creating, so the developer is also losing (a tiny amount of) money here.

I honestly just don’t get the point of these screens.

Bonus negative points for games that only check DLC after that button press instead of any other point of the losing process. Calling a server could easily be threaded while the game assets are loaded since it takes very little hardware load to do so. But no, I get to wait an additional 10 seconds because the game devs want me to for no apparent reason.

On a related note: just allow players to auto skip intros, please. Just put an checkbox in the settings, so that everyone can see it once.

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    Why is that there?

    It’s there due to the technical certification requirements of XBox. All games are required to become interactive after a set number of seconds. When you have a complex game with long loading times, that might be difficult. The load start screen works around that, it’s simple enough to load quickly and it is interactive, i.e. “Press any key to continue”. It’s not useful, but it fulfills the certification requirements, all loading time that follows or might happen in the background while that screen is shown, doesn’t count.

    It the same reason why you see so many games have the same “You’ll lose all your unsaved progress if you exit the game” screen, even in games that save so often to be a non-issue. It’s a certification requirement too. There is a whole bunch of stuff like this in games (and movies) that is not there because anybody wants it, but because some contract somewhere says it has to be there or you aren’t allowed to publish your game (see also the way names in movie posters never line up with the people on that poster).

    PS: This has been around since at least the Xbox360s, don’t know what Sony requires or how Microsoft might have updated their requirements since then.

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        If you have a particularly slow PC, this screen would be good feedback that it hasn’t crashed while booting the game. It also keeps the game consistent across platforms.

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          Yeah, they’re not gonna do all that stuff for cert and then go “now let’s remake our whole intro sequence to be more convenient!”, I don’t think devs typically have that much free time

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            It wouldn’t be that hard. Devs already have to make all sorts of adjustments for different platforms

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              Getting rid of that screen would be a negligible improvement and also might mean getting rid of any unique art that some may indeed want to see.

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              And they are better off using their time to do those improvements rather than something inconsequential like removing the press to start screen.

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          The problem is that the majority of games do not tell you what you are actually losing or how to prevent it. Do you lose the last five seconds or do you go right back to the beginning of the game? How far away is the next save point? Games don’t tell you. You have to try to find out. There are a few smart games that will tell you “2min since your last save”, but they are pretty rare.

          And of course in modern times that screen is rather unnecessary to begin with: Just save the damn game and let me continue were I left of. Xbox has QuickResume, but a lot of other platforms still have nothing like it.

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              It’s usually a really subtle and easy to miss icon though, especially in a game that otherwise demands all your attention.

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      IMO it’s a good feature and it’s a good thing it’s required. I remember the days when I would boot up a game and never be sure if my system crashed or not.

      This requires the game to start giving you feedback before you start wondering if you should do a power cycle.

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        I mean, better loading feedback would be better than an arbitrary “interactive within 1 second” blanket rule, leading to this whole “press button to continue” workaround.

        That’s like a generator needing an earth rod, and the engineer putting an earth rod into a plant pot. Sure, the earth rod is there, and sunk to regulated depth in dirt… but it’s a plant pot.
        Just make an accurate loading screen with accurate feedback.

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          Imo that’s still not enough. Plenty of crashes or failures happen in a way where loading screen animations still keep playing. Having a cursor you can move around to validate that the process is still responsive is important feedback.

          I also remember lots of games that did exactly what you are saying and there was no way to tell if it had hung during loading or not because you couldn’t check if it was accepting feedback.

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      Neither of these things can be true, because they’ve been around since long before Microsoft got into the console game. I’m pretty sure Atari 2600 games had that prompt. I know NES games did.

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        https://blog.csdn.net/baozi3026/article/details/4272761

        TCR # 003 BAS Initial Interactive State

        Requirement

        Games must enter an interactive state that accepts player input within 20 seconds after the initial start-up sequence. If an animation or cinematic shown during the start-up sequence runs longer than 20 seconds, it must be skippable using the START button.

        What earlier games were doing was very similar, but was done for different reasons. Arcade games had an attract mode that would show gameplay or intro cutscenes in a loop when the device wasn’t in active use and had an “Insert Coin” flashing to attract players. The normal game would only started once coin got inserted into the arcade machine. Early console games had that attract mode too, just “insert coin” replaced with a “press start”.

        What makes the modern start screen different is that there is often no cutscene to skip, no gameplay to watch, it’s just a pointless screen before you go to the main menu.

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          Wouldn’t just going straight to the main menu qualify as an “interactive state that accepts player input within 20 seconds”?

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            Yes, but you’d have to get there in 20sec first, which in case of very elaborate main menus, might not always be the case. The start screen provides a safety buffer so that you never fail at this certification criteria, as all the loading time after the start screen doesn’t count.

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    I honestly just don’t get the point of these screens.

    It lets the game see which controller or input method you are using. This screen was (and maybe still is? I’m not sure.) a requirement for certification on consoles going back to the Xbox 360, when wireless controllers became ubiquitous.

    Having to press a single button at the start of a game is a pretty minor complaint.

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        What if I have an Xbox controller plugged in and want to use my keyboard? A simple spacebar hit sets the default controller for fit this play session.

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          Personally, I think if I cant just use both at the same time it’s kind of shit. Only a handful of games actually work like that, and it’s insane. I shouldn’t have to go into the settings and switch control types. I should just be able to use them if they’re plugged in, like GTA or BG3.

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          Wouldn’t that be just as applicable from the interaction with the main menu? When the player selects a menu entry (eg Start, Load, Options), that tells the game what you’re using.

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      Plenty of games are able to determine what you’re using without having such a screen. The “press any key to continue” screen has been a thing my entire life (born in 85), and it has never been necessary for anything other than simulating the “insert coin” screen for arcade games.

      BG3 can use both at the same time, and yet it still has two of these screens. If you’re playing with a controller, it will say press any key then you press a button and it changes to “press A to continue” before you actually get to the main menu.

      And it’s even dumber because you can see the game detects your controller before the first logo screen ends when the cursor is auto hidden.

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      Dude. It’s called a pet peeve. They’re allowed, and even people who have very stressful lives have them. It’s definitely better than shit-talking random people on the internet - just skip the thread if you don’t care about it.

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        I’d say that they’re more of an issue for people under a lot of stress. It just adds an extra stress point. In fact if OP was not stressed, they probably wouldn’t mind it enough to post a rant about it.

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    I got curious myself and agreed, so I went looking.

    A lot of sources specified that it was part of a technical requirements checklist, and…

    Yeap. It doesn’t explicitly require a “press any key” screen, but it gives a more pleasant screen to look at while you select a user. People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

    If you add a feature like this to a game, it becomes harder to maintain if there are discrepancies between builds. So presumably it’s usually just left in rather than removed.

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      People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

      I don’t get it. Any modern game can detect when you connect or disconnect a controller on the fly, in the actual game.

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        Some games use it to determine who is player one vs player two. i.e. whoever presses the button first is treated as player 1.

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        Yet they are not built in features to game engines such as Unity and Unreal

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            Keyword: new. From now on people can do it, but prior to now it wasn’t possible from what they’re saying.

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              The New Input Package is actually just what Unity users call it because it isn’t the original and requires a package manager install from the stock LTR releases but it’s been out for a few years now. Still, you’re right, although I see no reason not to adopt it, most games that are using it will probably be releasing this year.

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      I remember a lot of games assigning the “press any button” controller has player 1 back in the day.

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    It annoys me when you close down a game, and it only has the option to send you to the title menu instead of closing out. It’s not the worst thing ever, but it’s kind of annoying when you need to go, and you have to “quit” the game just to wait for it to go back to the title screen and make you hit “quit” again a second time.

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      It’s for console ports. They have a power button…so on PC you’ll need to go to that button created specifically to quit to desktop

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        They need to be less lazy on the ports and add the option to quit to desktop on the PC version even if it doesn’t exist on the console version.

        Some games do, however I hate when I have to go to the menu before being able to quit to Desktop.

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          Clicks quit
          Are you sure you want to exit?
          Clicks yes
          Goes to title
          Clicks Quit
          Are you absolutely positive you want to exit?
          *Clicks yes DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK I CLICKED THREE TIMES TO GET HERE BY ACCIDENT??
          Game hangs.

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        Or, they have a hypervisor, so instead of needing to quit from inside, you just hit the magic button and go back to the console UI. Game is suspended and might resume after power off or switch, or not, depending on the system and user.

        You could just ctrl-alt-del or window switch or whatever to get the same experience on a computer.

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          I honestly will just slap cmd-q on most games. If they don’t handle it properly… well, sucks for me I guess, but most do. (on a mac)

          I wonder how most games treat alt-f4 on windows?

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            It differs, on some games it doesn’t work or still takes a long time. For those programs I like to use SuperF4, which kills the process when you press ctrl+alt+f4.

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      FromSoft games are the worst for that. They log you off the servers and then make you login again to get to the title screen to quit

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        Just alt-F4 once you quit the game and hit the title screen or you’re sure the game has successfully saved.

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    So it knows what input device you’re using

    Bro if this is what bothers you, then I wish I had such an easy life as you

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    There was (is?) a requirement from Sony and Microsoft about how long a game can take to load as part of the game licensing process. One of the ways it is measured is by counting time from game boot to how quickly the game can react to user’s keypress. A “press start to continue” screen is the most simple thing you can load that passes this requirement. After that the game can do heavier operations such as loading save data, checking DLC or pulling latest messages from online server without having to worry too much about how long these operations take.

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    I’m reminded of something that Binding of Isaac does that I wish more games would do: If you’re anywhere in the main menu (even drilled into it), if you just mash the B button/Esc key, it will keep backing out, up to and including exiting the game if you press it on the main menu. I hate games that make me click 3 times and say “are you sure??” when I just want to quit the dang program.

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        “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NEVER DO THAT” - FromSoft games

        At least Elden Ring added a “Quit to Desktop” option. Any games before that… no you have to exit back to the title screen and be subjected to several seconds of extremely loud gothic chanting before you’re allowed to exit the game. God help you if your network connection is down because it will try to connect to the network for an entire minute before it fails and lets you exit.

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          REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NEVER DO THAT”

          Hey just an FYI “reeee” is “autistic screeching” i.e. it’s pretty ablelist/shitty to say. Not sure if you are aware, I only learned that pretty recently.

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            I’m sorry but what? I’m not OP but that is a record scratch. End of story. There is no ableism even in the vicinity of OPs statement without someone shoehorning it in there.

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                Sorry, wrong nomenclature. We are talking about the same subject (use of Reee) but I used the term OP in reference to the commenter you responded to. Sorry for the confusion.

                My point was that calling out using Reee as ableism is uncalled for, in my opinion, because it is used to signify a record scratch (if this is not general usage and confined to my bubble of experience , I do apologize). Pointing out the possibility for offense when there clearly is no offense implied, and no one stating that they are offended, smacks of white knighting.

                I feel like your comment came with good intentions, but to me it seems like unnecessary language policing. It’s a harmless onomatopoeia that could just as easily apply to the unrelenting tinnitus that rages inside of me.

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                  I worked the 1’s and 2’s for years and I never, ever heard someone say “reeeee” to refer to scratching. And in what world is the above a record scratch? It doesn’t even make sense in context.

                  pointing out the possibility for offense when there clearly is no offense implied, and no one stating that they are offended, smacks of white knighting. but to me it seems like unnecessary language policing.

                  You came rushing to the defense of another user. The white knighting is not happening on my end. And what’s worse, you’re defending something that can easily be verified as a bad thing to say. But sure, go ahead and die on the hill of defending “REEEEEEE.”

                  I made it clear that I am assuming it was not their intention. But language is not all about intention. If you know something is offensive, just don’t say it. It’s not that difficult.

                  That use of the term was clear. It had no other interpretation. But please keep lecturing me, someone who is on the spectrum (which is not a requirement for speaking up by the way), about how I am White Knighting over a shitty 4chan meme making fun of autistic people.

                  Your ignorance of a term does not suddenly make it innocuous. Especially not when someone is standing here telling you exactly what it means and you could easily verify it with a cursory Google search because it’s that prominent and known now. But no, instead of trying to understand this you chose to lecture people on what they can and can’t be upset about. I’m sorry we didn’t meet your arbitrary bar.

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            Thank you for mentioning this. I try/want to but it’s so tiring dealing with the crap people throw at me just because they can’t stand to ever think about the crap they spew.

            Here’s a cupcake to help make up for you getting jumped on instead :3 🫴🧁

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          Quitting to desktop in elden ring is as simple as Esc, up, E, Z, left, E, E. Super simple!

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          Pro Tip: You can just alt+f4 when the first intro logo shows up without consequence. Works with every From Soft game up to Elden Ring.

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    Some games, like the Pathfinder games by Owlcat, use that initial input to determine if you are playing with mouse/keyboard or a gamepad. Depending on that, you get presented with a different UI in the main menu.

    Another reason for such a screen could also be Xbox support. Nowadays it’s no longer necessary, because user-handling has been vastly improved with the GDK, but before the GDK was released a splash screen was the most user-friendly way to do user-handling in a single-player or online-multiplayer game on Xbox.

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    I get your point. And kind of agree for the most part. But idk, some title screens are nice to look at. Having the option to just view it until I’m ready to go on is nice imo. One button press isn’t all that bad. But yeah when loading or dlc checking has to be done after pressing the button it’s more annoying. That should happen before imo

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    Games used to take a looong time to load before flash storage, so people would go get a coffee or something while loading. Before main menus, it would just drop you into the game while you were away, potentiality missing something. So they added the “press any key” pause to wait until you’re back.

    For some reason they kept this until today.

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      It’s also a holdover from arcade games, which would have an ‘attract mode’ when there was nobody playing.

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      I knew I wasn’t going crazy! That press any key habit is so ingrained because it’s been around since I played my first game on a 286 PC, probably longer.

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      That’s the thing. I think it is a carry over from that. Back then a lot of games didn’t have a menu or anything, after you hit the button, you were just playing the game.

      Like Mario 1 and 3 have just a simple 1 or 2 player select then you are in the game. Some single player games didn’t have anything, they just would go straight to the game after you hit start.

      Now there isn’t really a need since nearly every game has a menu for loading saves, starting a new game and such. So they could go, but are just a vestigial part of gaming history at this point.

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    It’s been bugging me in BG3. Mostly because it takes a while to load and when it’s finally loaded, I have to press a button then WAIT AGAIN for a stupid animation before getting to the main menu so I can then load some more.

    Gimme a command line to just automatically “Continue” please. The pretty animtions and menu were fun at first. Now I just want to get back to my brain parasites as quickly as possible. I’m sure that has nothing to do with my brain parasites.

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      There’s a mod on nexusmods to skip the startup intros. That might help in speeding things up a little