Look we can criticize religion for its issues all we want but in this specific case, they are using religion as a tool to get what they want. If it weren’t for religion, they would use something else.

“Terrorists are using VPNs to evade law enforcement”

Or maybe something racism related

Fascist/authoritarian governments always use something to control the public.

Its not about religion, its politics. A few years ago the Pakistani military overthrew a very popular prime minister who publicly said that it was the military behind his removal. Then slowly and gradually there was more and more evidence behind military involvement which as a result, made the public anti-military. They have been kidnapping and torturing anyone critical of them.

But the more they oppress, the more people become anti-military. It got to the point that in february the government blocked access to twitter because of anti-military sentiment, so people started using VPNs. Now this “religious body” which is government appointed claims to block VPN because “people are watching immoral things via VPN”. But in reality, it is to stop people organizing protests.

Also a governmental body can not decide what is islamic or not, thats not how islamic law works. It has to come from islamic scholars and there needs to be consus on it.

I don’t think any major islamic scholar who lives inside pakistan has signed or approved this message even though they want to stop porn they know its not about stopping porn, its about making it difficult to criticize the military.

For context: this “religious body” is governmental.

In pakistan, military has gotten so powerful that they literally kidnap and torture you for being critical of them. And if you live outside pakistan they kidnap and torture your family members, demanding you to remove your posts.

And recently pakistani people have started to become more and more anti-military. So they are using VPNs to hide their identity to protect themselves.

This “religious body” is making it seem like this is to stop porn but in reality its about stopping people from being critical of military rule.

Edit: they banned twitter in february because people were organizing anti-military protests there. So the people started using VPNs and now they want to ban VPNs.

Can i out pendant you?

Why are americans so fuckin dumb? Instead of pointing their fingers at millions of trump voters, they are pointing it at people with empathy for having anti-genocider stance.

It feels like they are just interested in finding a scapegoat to blame rather than asking the real questions, why did so many people voted for trump? Did kamala, despite having more funding, failed to convey her plan? What happened and why it happened and how can it be avoided?

I think thats an issue with AI, it has been so much trained on complex questions that now when you ask a simple one, it mistakes it for a complex one and answers it that way

Yes i agree, I got similar responses from my post in a different community. And I guess, to get feedback like this, was exactly the point of the post. Thanks so much!

Thanks so much for writing this detailed response. I really appreciate it!

Thanks so much for giving such a detailed response!

I will contact you once we have more questions! Thanks again

Sorry, i was in a bit of a hurry and didn’t realize the time it would take to answer all.

I guessed that at most 50 people will see this and only like 3-4 people would respond and then convincing people to open a different website would decrease the number even more. Besides i only needed a few responses anyways the rest will be collected in person by my teammates.

No it’s not. Both the trolley problem and the prisoners dilemma are individual event thought experiments.

Real life is different, it is continuous. The rational choice for an individual event can be very different than a continuous one.

Take the prisoner’s dilemma (or game theory) for instance, it is the rational decision (nash equilibrium) to rat your fellow prisoner out but if you have to do it again and again, then the best strategy is to NOT rat out your fellow prisoner (only rat when they ratted you out in the last round).

Reality is often like this, and elections are also like this. It gets complicated real fast.

Not really, if you just gather all the people you commit atrocities against, and send them to the middle east, you might get away with it. Hell you might even claim to be a bastion of peace and freedom.

Some more ideas:

Call the people you sent “civilized” against “barbarians”

Call them “the only democracy” in the middle east (you might need to overthrow some government in the nearby regions)

Commit more atrocities so more and more people go to your “solution”.

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But they are not social creatures, so if they were, even when they died someone in the social group could still teach the youngs

I recently asked a friend of mine something similar and i will add it here for the sake of discussion.

We need to fulfill our basic needs in order to be happy and content with life. There are 3 basic/main categories:

1: bodily needs: better diet, exercise etc.

2: mental needs: intellectual conversation/pondering, reading/writing a book, even playing some video games etc.

3: spiritual needs: religion/hope for a better time and better place

I would also add one more,

4: social needs: spending time with friends and family, doing something for the community, relationships and dating etc.

Since my friend and I are religious, 3 makes sense on its own. But you might need to think about what it means to you. Imo the most important part is having hope.

Personally for me, its 1 and 4 that i struggle the most with. And in the end, its okay to be wrong and try different things and formulas to find what works best for you.

Don’t be afraid to make mistakes! You live and you learn!

I really thought by making intentional mistakes in my comment people would be able to see the OBVIOUS sarcasm, but I guess not…

Did you even read my comment? Im not saying there are gas chamber level thing happening in gaza, i used it as an analogy

This is a by-product of modern society (maybe late stage capitalism). We need to be sold a “solution” to a problem. Reducing consumption is not something that can easily be sold hence these carbon capture, recycling plastic “solutions”.

Unless someone can make money off of it, reducing emissions is going to be difficult.

Thats actually a tool of genocide. The whole point of creating the gas chambers was to create an efficient genocide machine. The guards who took the prisoners to the chambers were different from guards who took the bodies. The guards who interacted with the prisoners weren’t allowed to decide who got to live and who did not.

All in all, the chambers gave the guards a sense of “we are just following orders” feeling thus lessening their guilt. Because no matter how cruel it is, the humans will feel guilt.

The calling for evacuation is also a similar tool to lessen the guilt of the soldiers. Afterall, those people who died were told to evacuate therefore their death is on their hands.

I think germany is still in denial, i think part of the reason why germany is so opposed to even acknowledge palestinian genocide is because, to acknowledge it, is to acknowledge that the “israel solution” was inadequate.

On its core, the rise of hitler and persecution of jews were a result of racism. The economy fell and people started to blame the jews, it could just as easily have been another minority group.

You can actually see a similar behaviour in modern day germany, The economy went downhill because of a series of bad decisions before covid (over reliance on russian oil, closing all nuclear plants etc.) And the german population started to align themselves with neo nazi (like AfD), as evident from the last election. Neo-nazism now blames immigrants for all the german troubles.

Clearly whatever steps Germany (and the west in general) took, including the creation of israel, were not enough.

Feel free to correct me if i am wrong about anything.