Obama won pretty hard though despite the racism, there were more people excited to see a black president than there were racists (although obviously there as a lot of vocal racism as well).

If Kamala tells a convincing story, I could see it working well.

Yes exactly, Bernie has similar politics but doesn’t get the same hatred. There were some Bernie voters who even hopped to Trump. They care more about sexism/racism than actual politics.

One thing to note if you get one, you will get comments on your phone 😅

Not to me at all, way less bulky. It’s thinner than my wallet, and since it’s not long, it doesn’t jam into my leg when I kneel or sit down. However, I don’t have a case for it, not sure how it would feel with a case.

True

🙄 there are communist countries that are not Russia or China, just like there are capitalist countries that aren’t the United States.

Maybe impractical for you, highly practical in my life. Folding smaller makes it easier comfortably carry in accessible pockets, and the center of gravity is more stable so I’ve had no issues of it falling out of my jacket pockets which uses to happen to me quite a lot!!

Yes, I’ve had the Samsung zFlip 4 for a year and a half. It’s great, my phones used to always fall out of my jacket pockets, but the center of gravity of the folded phone is much more stable and I don’t have that problem anymore. Can fit easily into my front overall pockets too which is nice. Screen feels much safer as well, since it’s usually closed.

(I work outdoors, with overalls a lot)

My only issue with it is the lack of a headphone jack and lack of a removable battery, and it gets overheating issues when I’m outside on hot days - but so has literally every phone I’ve had. Outdoor worklife is tough on phones.

There is a visible crease, and some friends have mentioned that the fold line would bother them. Personally it doesn’t bother me.

The snap close is especially fun, too.

And I like how I can have it propped up in the L position, nice way to have a little screen playing YouTube videos in the background while I work.

So you just think the temple should have asked for more? I don’t think that’s what they’re in it for.

But it’s freely and easily available to download, why would it be on piracy sites?

I feel the same way. I put off purchases for a looong time. My biggest example is using my bed, household furniture in gerry-rigged ways instead of buying a weight bench for $200 for a couple of years. I don’t like accumulating too many things, and it is often true that you can do without buying a specialized item.

I think I am moving through this mentality a bit though, if there is a tool that will fundamentally improve my life in tangible ways, I try not to hesitate to buy it, because these kinds of things can make me more willing to actually do stuff. Most recent example for me is buying a thick kitchen apron, so my clothes don’t get wet when I’m washing dishes. Hate the feeling, but it inevitably happens, so then I would end up avoiding dishes.

I think you can have this utilitarian approach to purchases simultaneously with an anti consumption mindset.

Yeah, you’d have to pick a country that wouldn’t deport you though… that your country’s passport will get you into easily.

Should they … not be payed for their labor?

Feel like I mentioned again and again that I’m talking about his campaign politics. I took a look at his 2008 campaign policies to see if I was misremembering anything and it’s pretty centrist to me, even his health care plan. And like I mentioned, he explicitly did not support gay marriage which at the time would have been an easy progressive signalling, but he either truly opposed gay marriage or he was trying to cater to a broader audience.

Like I said, he had a convincing image of idealism but not the politics to back it up, and you are saying AOC could win because she has progressive politics. She would need the flashy campaign to back it up, and so many people just hate her I don’t think it would work.

Anyway I’m just saying the same things over and over again in different wording and it’s getting tired, respond if you want, idc, but I’m going to stop here.

I think I was pretty clear saying his campaign was based on the idea and image of idealism, but his politics did not reflect that, not his actual politics or his promised politics in 2008. You’re showing me this poster as if I didn’t directly mention the art and sloganing as a major reason for his win.

AOC may have idealistic policy positions, but her public image is so meme-ified I don’t think she could successfully do the Hope thing that Obama did. Obama was much less well known of a politician when he ran.

I’m not talking about catering to Conservatives, I’m talking about the cultural campaign of meme-ification of AOC that conservatives have been waging for years, that could be convincing to moderates and moderate Democrats.

The only successful Democratic presidential candidates in the last twenty years have been Obama and Biden. Obama won because he has a lot of natural charisma, and came along with a story of having our first black president. Biden won as a reaction to the first Trump presidency. Neither were really particularly idealistic Democrats… Obama did not even express public support gay marriage when he came into office, he had pretty centrist positions overall and gave off an idealistic message with campaign art, speeches and slogans, but his actual policy was not especially progressive.

So Obama won as a biracial black man with the conservative stance against gay marriage, and overall very center-liberal politics, but flashy idealistic messaging.

If progressive idealism had been working, we would have had Bernie presidency by now tbh

I think it’s AOC, but conservatives have a disdain for her that I worry would be Hillary part 2.

AOC is a lightning rod for conservatives, moreso due to sexism imho than her politics because she gets way more hate than Bernie even though they’re politically very similar. She’s not a good choice just because of that. I don’t think the general population of the US is ready for two women on a ticket, esp two women of color. Could make an exciting ticket in the way Obama was, but only if Kamala proves to be as engaging of a speaker. Which, honestly I think she’s a good orator but a lot of people will have trouble seeing past the fact she is a woman, and Kamala will unconsciously or consciously have all the usual biases against women in power (bossy, crazy, etc).

I honestly had no idea who Beshear is but just looking him up, I think he’d be an okay pick. Looks like a boring white guy, has solid liberal track record. I feel like a white guy who supports Palestine would be better, Kamala has a lot of pushback from leftists from her time as DA in CA. Idk who that would be.

Unless they run another primary, Kamala is the best choice IMHO. Already tied to the Biden ticket, so it would feel less like the DNC is hand-picking whoever they want as a candidate. She polls well. Can get creative with the VP.

Why are you linking Roberts Rules of Order 😂