Its more like, the president can assassinate you if it is in the interest of the USA and not for the personal interest of the president.
So if ellected, Trump can assassinate all political competition, Putin-style, legally, but not Stormy Daniels
Not according to the way they define “official act”. If it involves presidential power, it’s an official act.
Then it is a joke of a decision
It is indeed. From a joke of a court.
Not really. Exercise of a Presidential power, no matter the reason, is immune from prosecution. If it’s legal to drop a bomb on ISIS it’s legal to drop a bomb on a pornstar.
So letting district courts decide if an action is or is not an official act, is just a joke if anything a president does is official act
A lot of people are reading this wrong. What is likely going to happen is that the district court will say that a grand Jury can decide if something is an official act. That might be challenged again but I’d wager that’s the next stop in this saga.
But don’t forget that official government records and any inquiries as to the motives of the president will not be admissible as evidence in any such case.
But whose interests are “the interests of the USA?”
Who’s to say that maintaining the dignity of the office of President is not in the interest of the US? She is impugning his reputation therefore making him look weak which could embolden our enemies. She must disappear for the good of all Americans. It’s not hard to justify just about anything as an official act in the interest of the US.
If “maintaining the dignity of the office of President” is a core obligation of president, Trump could be impeached and convicted of that charge.
So Stormy Daniels will have to avenge democracy, Rambo style
I’d re-up Netflix to watch this movie.
This election will be the final free and fair one. God help us all
To do a “well, actually” I guess we didn’t really have an empire until well past the country’s founding. We were a mostly irrelevant backwater for some period of time.
ETA: And as someone who freaking loves this country, I realize that saying a comment like the above is one that could probably get you into a fight two days from now, most especially, when all kinds of fetishistic performative military nonsense and uncritical screeds about this country are at peak ridiculousness (and I love July 4th in spite of these flaws). I consider myself a real patriot, but one that is unwilling to whitewash this country.
I don’t think most civilizations start out in their final form. They typically start much smaller and grow.
No, the US has been an empire from the start. Unless you don’t count conquering and colonizing the indigenous peoples because they aren’t “civilized” or something.
Bye, Rachel Maddow.
Biden needs to commit to overturning this, and ideally Citizen’s United, if he is re elected
Screw that, he’s elected now. Just do it.
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Just do an official act on the 6 servative SCOTUS judges.
I mean, I wouldn’t mind the current President exercising this power over their political rivals, in the election, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, purely as a defensive measure to protect America. It sets a shitty precedence, but do we really want He Who Shall Not Be Named to set the precedence first?
“It sets a shitty precedence…” is a gross minimalization to attach to effectively making the US be a dictatorship. And saying you’re ok with a dictatorship because you happen to agree with the dictator is the kind of sentiment that cannot be left unchallenged/unexamined
Right?
And it’s incredibly short sighted.
So, in 4 years, will the next dictator be just as “good”? What about the next?
Also the whole “To save America” is literally the exact same reasoning used, and even believed, by the other side. It’s circular at this point, one is better, but the other thinks THEY need to save America just as much.
It’s a real fucked situation.
The US has already extrajudicialy murdered a US citizen on purpose. The US under Obama sent a drone to murder a citizen without a trial.
Precedent was publicly set then.
The US 3 letter agencies have been doing this in secret for their entire time in power. But those are widely considered outside the law but necessary. Whatever that means.
Agree but I feel like pointing that out is implying this somehow doesn’t make things worse which I feel like is missing the point. This removes the implicit threat of prosecution for anything the president does.
Now no matter how much political will exists for the prosecution, the president is fully and unequivocally immune.
Legal schmegal. A bullet has no politics
I’d probably be so honored I wouldn’t press charges anyways.
Anything can be defined to suit their needs.
isn’t that the definition of, I don’t know, a king?
Couldn’t Biden write an executive order that describes what is “official” vs “unofficial”?
Couldn’t the next president rip that order up and replace it with their own definition?
Too late. Biden made himself SCOTUS and changed back the rule, effective next term. Then replaced SCOTUS with the cast of Arrested Development.
There’s always money in the banana Republic
Welcome back to another episode of “Where’s Humanity Going to Shit Next?”, where we tackle the depressing consequences of the actions of the human race to our beloved planet Earth. This episode we visit the US once again, where the president decides he now has the power to kill you himself if he feels like it.
Join us next time to see where humanity is really gonna shit next.
All this murder crap is lame; why has nobody been parroting how the president can do other crimes, like tax fraud or lie under oath or buying drugs or literally anything but murder?
Because the point is to scare you. “Breaking news president buys crack” is not as scary as “Breaking news president axe murders cabinet.”
The ruling is not good, but it’s not Seal Team Six executes its political rival bad. It’s more likely to be President sells nuke secrets to Saudi Arabia under the new official “I Get to Sell Nuclear Secrets to Saudi Arabia Act” he just made up right now.
No, the murder isn’t crap.
Biden can now murder the billionaires. Never mind the small fries.
literal killing if human beings is lame? we already know to white collar criminals are doing tax fraud and use drugs. old news.
Lame like an overbeaten dead horse, I mean. I was just trying to put out there that there’s worse ways to try and ruin our country like Madoff did but worse. And plenty of others I didn’t even mention.
The President can fire employees that refuse to have sex with him. Firing executive branch employees is well within the President’s power. If they don’t submit to him, he can fire them. Official act.
More fear mongering
any post saying that The President can assassinate anyone or any party opponent is nonsense. They won’t do it themselves and if they order it, considering it’s illegal the military won’t carry it out. We have safeguards in place. The left needs to simmer down.
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Removed, civility.
Would this same ruling have happened if Trump wasn’t involved? No, I don’t think so.
Stop the
stealoverthrow.So now Biden can do what trump did and not certify the next president using fake electors.
And if he can’t break the law, can’t he illegally introduce a new law that makes all this presidential law breaking illegal?
Correct. There’s absolutely nothing stopping Biden from doing exactly what Trump already tried and failed to do. He could put pressure on Governors to “find x number of votes”, submit a fake slate of electors to cast doubt on the results, outright threaten people if they don’t comply with his wishes. I’m sure this SCOTUS will find a way to interpret any of Biden’s would-be illegal actions as actually illegal, but tiptoe around Trump’s sedition and fraud.
I can’t believe that the prevailing opinion of the times is that the president can literally break the law, even ones specifically meant to bind them and only them such as campaign finance laws, and be immune from consequences under almost any circumstance as long as the court says it’s official. Congress effectively can no longer act as a check against the Executive. Only the Judicial can say what is official or unofficial.
This isn’t power anyone should have.
How would he “illegally introduce a new law”? He could issue a decree but it would be meaningless because nothing gives a president the power to make laws.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders
The president can issue executive orders pursuant to a grant of discretion from Congress, or under the inherent powers that office holds to deal with certain matters which have the force of law.
Read more carefully:
The president can issue executive orders pursuant to a grant of discretion from Congress, or under the inherent powers that office holds to deal with certain matters which have the force of law.
Executive orders are limited to exercising powers already granted to the President by Congress or the Constitution. The President cannot just make up new laws. This is basic stuff that should have been explained to you numerous times if you’re American.
