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    4 days ago

    It’s already too late, America. Even if he loses the election, he’s already rigged the supreme Court.

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    I’d warn against the idea that Hitler was somehow indispensable to the movement.

    I think MAGA is instructive here. Do you think Trump is an evil genus, or just a lucky blow-hard carried by the worst impulses of the right? Fascism is popular, and we need to stop acquitting the societies that nurture it.

    To answer your question, I’d ignore the fascist leader and the rabid followers. I’d find a scheme to impose social and financial costs on those who don’t support fascism, but are wiling to tolerate it for their own interests.

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    I don’t know that authoritarian/fascist regimes can be stopped once they’re in motion. They seem to be more the default rather than stable democracies. Even countries that you’d think would have sufficient legal barriers and processes for citizens to keep political extremists out of office seem to be failing and moving to the right.

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    Unchecked conservatism naturally develops into fascism. Genocidal oppression is the natural tendency of conservatives. It always has been.

  • Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world
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    Imo, a big part of what I am seeing now stems from a lack of proper history and or civics education. I went to school in Texas, my whole education up to college we were taught that the U.S. was this beacon of good and positive things, there was an intentional effort to misrepresent Texas and U.S. history in a way that minimized slavery, racisim, and the genocide of the native population of the U.S. In short, it was a bullshit whitewashed fantasy novel. We should be saying:

    “The United States did some really horrifying shit in the distant past, the recent past, and is still doing it today, those are the facts. We should try to do better than we are doing, and part of that is recognizing where we as a country came from, good and bad, so we can do better. You students are not bad people by default for living or being born here but you need to realize that fetishizing this country as the greatest country in the world and intrinsically linking YOUR identity to that of a false vision of a flawed nation, is hugely problimatic, especially when you base that identiy on the ideals of manifest destiny or other weird and/or rascist ideals.”

    When you separate the current individual from the history, and say this was/is the U.S. but it doesn’t have to be YOU or the U.S. of the future, people are more receptive of hearing the bad. That is not to say we should minimize the awful things in our past and current, just that if a young kid is shamed, intentionally or unintentionally, they are more likely to fall into fringe and radical ideas and seek validation for them.

    That doesn’t help the brainwashed/backwards people who want to revert the country to the good ole days though.

    The other thing that was really fundamental for me from good history teachers and professors was the way that they linked historical events with current events. That has been explicitly outlawed in Florida iirc and likely Texas too, this state does so much backwards shit though, I can’t keep up with all of it.

    We probably also need to remind people that facts don’t care about their feelings, there isn’t a such thing as alternative history, and that’s just the end of it, there is no room for denying the horrors of slavery, the Holocaust, or any of the other numerous fucked up things in history. They happened, we have to remember that to prevent it from happening again.

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      Imo, a big part of what I am seeing now stems from a lack of proper history and or civics education.

      That doesn’t explain what’s going on in much of Europe. You bring up the Holocaust but Germany has about the strong laws imaginable against Nazism / Neo-Nazism and yet the far right is about two whiskers away from holding power. It’s much the same in France and they already have power in Italy. This accelerating trend towards the right is a Global phenomena.

      I think what’s really happening is a populist uprising against globalization and the hardships its created for so many people. Those same people are trending right wing because the RW are actually talking about the problem and possible solutions.

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        Fair point, I can only speak directly about my local experience. Maybe I am too idealistic in thinking that you can partially teach or learn this kind of stuff away.

        Realistically, the standard of living has been falling for a while. I work the same type of job my parents did but in real money terms, I bring home less than they did at my age. People look for someone to blame for that kind of stuff and will listen when someone validates their feelings then points a finger and says “they fucked you but I’ll help” even if they are problimatic.

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          Fair point, I can only speak directly about my local experience.

          That’s true but we, that includes me, can look around and see what’s happening beyond our State and National borders to see if a theory fits.

          Realistically, the standard of living has been falling for a while.

          IMO that’s the crux of the problem right there. The Standard of Living has been falling everywhere and it’s been falling faster as “Globalization” took hold. The real issue though isn’t trade between countries that have roughly similar economic systems and lifestyles, it’s the one sided importation of goods between countries that do not have roughly similar economic systems and lifestyles.

          The problem with Globalization is that it tears the floor out from underneath the vulnerable. The under-educated and the poor struggle to make a living because their jobs have been shipped away to another country where someone can live for less and thus work for less. It’s a race to the bottom.

          Those vulnerable people, and even the once privileged who’ve watched their livelihoods ripped away, are increasingly desperate to find a way out of their situation and so they’re increasingly turning to the only people who seem to care. To paraphrase a bit “It’s the (real) economy, stupid!”

          This isn’t my idea either as this outcome was widely predicted by Union Bosses and Business Leaders during the Clinton Administrations runup to NAFTA and MFN Trading Status for China.

          If they were correct, and it appears they were, then the only way to stop the madness is to re-onshore the jobs as much as possible with a special focus on geographic areas that have the highest imbalance. The U.S. started doing it under the Trump Administration and the Biden Administration has accelerated the trend. If everyone will just hang tight for another 12-18 months the effects will start to get really noticeable and the Right Wing rise will ebb away.

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    AI answer in the style of a riled up eighth grader:

    Alright, so here’s the deal. The rise of Hitler and the Nazis taught us some super important lessons that we absolutely cannot forget. Like, seriously, it’s crucial.

    First off, always question leaders who promise simple solutions to complex problems. Hitler fed on the economic chaos and social unrest, offering easy fixes and blaming specific groups. Don’t fall for that garbage. Critical thinking, people!

    Second, don’t let hate speech and discrimination slide. The Nazis started with anti-Semitic rhetoric and it escalated into the Holocaust. If someone is spreading hate, call it out and stop it in its tracks. Silence equals acceptance.

    Third, protect democratic institutions. Hitler got power partly because the Weimar Republic was weak. Strong checks and balances, a free press, and active civic engagement are vital. Don’t let anyone mess with that stuff.

    Fourth, education matters. The Nazis indoctrinated youth with their ideology. We need to teach history accurately, promote critical thinking, and encourage empathy. An educated, aware population is harder to manipulate.

    Lastly, stand up against injustice, no matter how small. If people had stood up to the Nazis early on, things might have been different. Don’t wait for someone else to act. Be brave, take a stand.

    So, yeah, these lessons are super important. We can’t let history repeat itself. Stay woke!

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        4 days ago

        I’m sorry to hear that. Do you believe it’s possible to correct course, or are we all fucked?

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    Trying to appease fascists by avoiding confrontation or acting when they start chipping away at our insitutions willl just lead to more fascism. The nazis didn’t spring forth overnight, they consolidated their power through legal means and appealed to the population’s bigotry and hatred of ‘others’ without enough of a response to stop their ascension.

    Basically the same thing that is happening in the west right now.

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    That the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

    Every single one of them should have been executed. Might not have prevented the return entirely, but it would have made it harder, and perhaps made the newer ones less certain of their reception.

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    One important lesson of the Nazi rise to power and the Holocaust is that Nazis characterized their enemies as disgusting rather than scary.

    Disgust is a different feeling than fear, and it leads to different responses. Hitler used imagery of infection and disease to describe not only problems in society but eventually groups as well. This talk of filth and infestation laid the emotional groundwork for the “purge” solution.

    If we want to avoid another Holocaust, we need to be wary of analogies like rot, cancer, infection for describing people and points of view.

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      Curious if the word “deplorables” count.

      I see such disgust coming from both major parties. Feels like either one can easily fall into this.

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    moderates need to stop only punching left.

    hitler got into power because their moderates refused to appeal to their leftist voters and supported facism and so hitler’s side won the election and, later, the country after they disenfranchised the moderates and executed the leftists; right now it’s looking like americans are going to follow suit.

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      Idk I feel like moderates punch both left and right lol. The extremists on both sides are annoying.

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        If you’re talking about the US, they certainly aren’t punching hard enough then. Trump is an extremist and basically leading right wing politics.

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        i can only speak for the western world since that’s what i learned about as an american and there’s a recorded history of punching left significantly harder than punching right.