A friend of mine has right-wing parents who were Trump boosters in 2016. He says that January 6th left them aghast, and they aren’t supporting him now. That’s just two people sure, and this is entirely anecdotal, but it might be indicative of how the wind is blowing.
I understand this impulse. It is popular to demonize people on the other side, and truthfully, their voting for Trump in the past is a severe issue. They once in a while ask me for computer help, but this whole matter has made me reluctant to do it.
I’m not going to call them good people because voting for Trump has identified them as not being among those. But in some ways they’re decent? They don’t think they’re evil. They don’t stab people in the back personally. They work hard. They’re honest face-to-face. it’s mostly on the national stage that their odious beliefs are brought out.
There are lots of people like that here. I feel like, if they can be brought to see, viscerally, what the effects of their political decisions are, that could be the breaking point that changes their political beliefs. January 6th might have been one such event.
Some people still have some values. 34 felonies, rape, and paying hush money to a porn star you had sex with while your pregnant wife was at home is enough to cost some votes. I don’t care if they vote for Biden, as long as they don’t show up and vote for mr 34 felonies it’s a win for America.
Not voting for the opponent in a two-party race is like a half vote for the other guy, but wouldn’t it be nice if they came around and gave Biden a full vote each?
30% of the people voting in the GOP primary said they wouldn’t necessarily vote for the eventual nominee.
That is a massive and highly unusual number. And, just like so many other things, nobody fuckin knows that, because the media has a code of silence about it like a JV hockey team that just doesn’t talk about Logan’s sex crimes.
They just keep reporting polls of all registered voters who want to answer the phone, trying to correct their ratios and not bothering to try to ascertain who’s likely to vote, and then swearing that 2 point up or down differences in the resulting number are super important.
I think trump needs to address his electability questions. He hasn’t had any interviews that properly address his issues, just scripted ones with interviewers that like him.
Just today I’ve seen people calling for him to step down so another candidate without his issues can be nominated. He’ll have to do that if voters continue to lose confidence in him.
4 years ago there were a lot of houses with Trump/Pence signs in my neighborhood. Most of them removed their signs after the elections except for a few that had the whole combo police lives matters and don’t thread on me and stuff like that.
After jan 6 even those houses removed their signs (and all others) and this year I have not seen any Trump sign in any backyard in the area.
It turns out, a lot of people do feel a bit of shame for the way they vote.
Not like that they actually feel bad for fucking over so many people, but they don’t like looking like they are helping so many people getting fucked over.
This is what I don’t get. There is so much less trump enthusiasm in Michigan than in 2020. It’s all fucking anecdotal, so go with the data over my observations, but I just can’t see any sign that Trump is a force here.
I’ve seen like 2 Trump bumper stickers and not a single yard sign (I’ll give you the place that literally has his name painted on their garage), which is fucking insane when 3-4 years ago you couldn’t get in your car without seeing at least one yard sign or bumper sticker.
Four years ago, my wife got so much shit for being the only liberal in an office of good ol’ boys. Now, absolutely nothing. I cannot comprehend that the polling reflects none of this.
They’ve learned it leads to social isolation. I know a lot of young men learned they can’t get laid if they’re vocal about Trump. I’m not saying these people learned empathy they just learned to put the mask back on.
A friend of mine has right-wing parents who were Trump boosters in 2016. He says that January 6th left them aghast, and they aren’t supporting him now. That’s just two people sure, and this is entirely anecdotal, but it might be indicative of how the wind is blowing.
Have you considered that they’re liars?
I understand this impulse. It is popular to demonize people on the other side, and truthfully, their voting for Trump in the past is a severe issue. They once in a while ask me for computer help, but this whole matter has made me reluctant to do it.
I’m not going to call them good people because voting for Trump has identified them as not being among those. But in some ways they’re decent? They don’t think they’re evil. They don’t stab people in the back personally. They work hard. They’re honest face-to-face. it’s mostly on the national stage that their odious beliefs are brought out.
There are lots of people like that here. I feel like, if they can be brought to see, viscerally, what the effects of their political decisions are, that could be the breaking point that changes their political beliefs. January 6th might have been one such event.
Some people still have some values. 34 felonies, rape, and paying hush money to a porn star you had sex with while your pregnant wife was at home is enough to cost some votes. I don’t care if they vote for Biden, as long as they don’t show up and vote for mr 34 felonies it’s a win for America.
Not voting for the opponent in a two-party race is like a half vote for the other guy, but wouldn’t it be nice if they came around and gave Biden a full vote each?
Absolutely, but I’m still good with a red voter not voting red.
30% of the people voting in the GOP primary said they wouldn’t necessarily vote for the eventual nominee.
That is a massive and highly unusual number. And, just like so many other things, nobody fuckin knows that, because the media has a code of silence about it like a JV hockey team that just doesn’t talk about Logan’s sex crimes.
They just keep reporting polls of all registered voters who want to answer the phone, trying to correct their ratios and not bothering to try to ascertain who’s likely to vote, and then swearing that 2 point up or down differences in the resulting number are super important.
I think trump needs to address his electability questions. He hasn’t had any interviews that properly address his issues, just scripted ones with interviewers that like him.
Just today I’ve seen people calling for him to step down so another candidate without his issues can be nominated. He’ll have to do that if voters continue to lose confidence in him.
You forgot the /s
4 years ago there were a lot of houses with Trump/Pence signs in my neighborhood. Most of them removed their signs after the elections except for a few that had the whole combo police lives matters and don’t thread on me and stuff like that. After jan 6 even those houses removed their signs (and all others) and this year I have not seen any Trump sign in any backyard in the area.
Do people really leave political signs up after elections, though?
A certain neighbor of mine does. Makes the neighborhood look ugly.
Dude I saw a faded-ass ‘Bush / Cheney’ sticker on the way home today. Cult is as cult does.
Well, bumper stickers are one thing, but leaving them posted in your yard? Weird.
They still fly the flags from their lifted trucks where I live. But yeah it’s declined a lot.
I kinda want to get old bumper stickers and put them up. I wonder if I can find one for Jimmy Carter
Apparently, there were a lot around where I live too. I dont get it personally, but im not a dude who would put up a political sign to begin with.
It turns out, a lot of people do feel a bit of shame for the way they vote.
Not like that they actually feel bad for fucking over so many people, but they don’t like looking like they are helping so many people getting fucked over.
Nudist trumpers?
This is what I don’t get. There is so much less trump enthusiasm in Michigan than in 2020. It’s all fucking anecdotal, so go with the data over my observations, but I just can’t see any sign that Trump is a force here.
I’ve seen like 2 Trump bumper stickers and not a single yard sign (I’ll give you the place that literally has his name painted on their garage), which is fucking insane when 3-4 years ago you couldn’t get in your car without seeing at least one yard sign or bumper sticker.
Four years ago, my wife got so much shit for being the only liberal in an office of good ol’ boys. Now, absolutely nothing. I cannot comprehend that the polling reflects none of this.
They’ve learned it leads to social isolation. I know a lot of young men learned they can’t get laid if they’re vocal about Trump. I’m not saying these people learned empathy they just learned to put the mask back on.