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    When was the last time the US tried to erase a people’s culture? And when was the last time China tried that? When was the second to last time China tried that? What about the third to last time?

    Both countries are imperialistic in different ways. One does most of its atrocities to the citizens of other countries and one does most of its atrocities to its own citizens. Neither should be looked up to.

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      When was the last time the US committed cultural genocide?

      When it caused one million deaths in Iraq through direct and indirect warfare for no reason. It currently has a direct hand in the genocide happening in Gaza right now.

      Or how about when ICE was caught sterilizing migrant women in detention centers? They were doing that as recently as 2020, and there’s a long history of forced sterilization in the US.

      Compare and contrast. Look at Gaza, look at Xinjiang province, try to spot the difference! Can you do it?

      Neither should be looked up to.

      There’s no other choice. You can’t just think up an idealistic imaginary third option. The US or China. Choose

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        There’s no other choice. You can’t just think up an idealistic imaginary third option. The US or China. Choose

        There are other choices. There is no forced binary. There are around 200 countries currently in existence that you can look up to and many more past countries that no longer exist that you can look up to too. Or, like me, you can not look up to any country. The perfect system doesn’t have to be already invented and in practice. Karl Marx did not look up to any countries when creating his system.

        I believe that every country currently in existence has flaws and do not look up to any of them.

        Killing civilians in Iraq is evil. Killing civilians in Gaza is evil. Sterilizing people is evil. The USSR and US proxy wars were evil. Installing dictators in South America is evil. None of these, however, are an attempt to erase a culture. There is a thriving hispanic culture in the US and the US government isn’t erasing it. There are thriving sub cultures for every out-group in the US.

        Not that erasing a culture is more or less evil than these things. I do not engage in the ranking of atrocities. Atrocities are atrocities and I hate them all.

        Erasing the culture of the Uyghurs is also evil. Sterilizing Uyghurs is evil. Invading and erasing the culture of Tibet is evil. Erasing the culture of all of China with the cultural revolution is evil. One child policy is evil.

        Removing citizens’ rights to talk freely about the government and society and protest what they dislike about them is evil. Censorship is evil. I’m in the US and I said all that about the US being evil and am not going to face any consequences and my comment will not be taken down.

        Not recognizing same sex marriage is evil. Someone who claims to be queer ought to recognize that and not look up to countries which don’t recognize it.

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          There are other choices. There is no forced binary. There are around 200 countries currently in existence that you can look up to and many more past countries that no longer exist that you can look up to too.

          Thank you! Exactly! It’s not just the US or China/Russia/NK. There are a couple hundred options, many of which are happy to coexist and aren’t vying to become the one true empire of the planet.