Hold the debate anyway. Have Kamala appear next to an empty chair.
Moderator: giving Trump a couple more minutes to appear.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: Trump is a no show. Hmm… he originally eagerly agreed to this September debate with Biden. It’s unclear why the change of heart, but I have to say he forfeits by default.
Kamala (interrupts): Hold on, please call Trump’s probation officer to verify his attendance permission while we wait a few more min. He’s understandably a bit skiddish with prosecutors lately but I would like to yield some of my time & do him this courtesy since he donated to my campaign in 2011 & 2013.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: no go, but would you like to answer the questions next to an empty chair to have your answers heard anyway?
Kamala: yes, this way he can take all the time he needs to prepare a scripted response later given his cognitive challenges….
Funny comment, but why the tor link?
NY Times is a closed website. Paywalled or something? I could not reach it from Tor at least not with my browser. Could be a popup-blocker blocker, not sure. Anyway, the link I gave is a NY Times front-end that is openly accessible, though clearnet users might have to append a
.cabor something. There are probably NY Times FEs on clearnet but I don’t know of any ATM.(edit) actually I think that’s NY Times official onion server. Anyway, for whatever reason it has better accessibility than the clearnet version.
Ha! I predicted this!
I also predicted Biden’s disaster and asked people around me why the fuck is Biden going to debate Trump. People said “he has no choice”. I found that quite questionable. Now Trump seems to be proving that candidates have a choice.
Sure Trump’s cowardice will damage his campaign. But getting an ass-beating in the debate is even more damaging, as Biden proved. So Trump is making his best tactical move for his ability.
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I would like it if the headlines were “Trump forfeits the debate” to rightfully emphasize the lossy nature of the decision.Can you predict a global Social Democratic overhaul?
I can! As long as people continue coming to message forums complaining instead of passionately making their case, or joining the party and doing something about it, I predict there will be no “global Democratic overhaul”, whatever that means to you.
Woah!
Scratch that—make it democratic socialism (otherwise known as socialism)
What would this involve for foreign policy?
I’m particularly interested in a few Islamic fascist states with carte blanche to abuse, well, less lucky countries, but too populated by kinda brownish people. And in Israel with the same privilege.
Do fascists get ignored (they are fine with this, but at least better than support)? Do they get sanctioned (hopes are not high)? Do they get desert-stormed (yes, please, desert-storm Baku)? Or does anything change at all.
I’m not at all from where you are.
Best case, it doesn’t get better for you. Maybe they shoot a little less.
Keep your head down and take care of your people. I’m sorry. It isn’t right or okay. I’m teaching my son to love people and that’s about all I can do.
Good luck. Be hard. Take care of your people.
Where I am this is not a problem (yet), but I’m worried about the country my ancestors are from.
The problem with the Biden debate situation is that he was trailing in the polls, so he needed a debate with a strong performance in order to win over voters. Obviously, the opposite of that happened.
Trump’s margin against Kamala is likely smaller, but he’s still slightly ahead. It’s probably much more prudent for him to avoid a debate given that Kamala would probably perform much better than him. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose.
I honestly assumed most of my life that it was just a rule for candidates that they have to debate.
When folk had the tiniest bit of mutual respect for each other and the office, I believe your assumption was correct, but times change.
There was a time where it was a given that we’d have x number of Presidential debates… I can’t believe how far we’ve sunk.
Normally you don’t have a debate against an Alzheimer patient from a party that denied how bad it was for years. Remember when his senility was fake news, like…3 weeks ago? Exact same arrogant bastards are risking a trump victory again while they play their stupid games. Harris is looking coronated, same as Biden and Hillary before. That they don’t have a real open primary is pathetic. The one party state yall say you want to prevent arrived ten years ago, now you’re just the north american equivalent of Jackie Chan supporting the communist party. Yknow they vote for left and right factions inside the overarching party there, right? People vote with a choice of conservative communist member or liberal communist member, they all belong to a second party under the main one.
Holy fuck. If you’re still human and waking up in the morning, you’re real sick. You might be ai.
I must say he’s right about one thing: the US is a one-party system.
Or more specifically I would say the US is a two-party system for white men (+Kanye West) and a one-party system for everyone else.
I feel like I could almost understand what you tried to communicate.
Lol. Nice try. I realize you can’t argue the points, but playing dumb is really, really obvious. Better to say nothing and all
He’s dropping in the polls, especially against her. Maybe some people are too young to remember, but candidates usually gain like 10% in the polls after a failed assassination. Or 5% after the convention. And their Vice Presidential Candidate gains after the convention too.
Trump literally had no assassination or convention bump. His ceiling is less than 50% of voters. Kamala Harris has seen a large bump just from jumping into the race. Some swing state polls went from +8 or +10 trump earlier this year, to only +2 against Kamala.
She’s only made one speech as the potential candidate! Believe me, she’s going to be on top by the day of the debate.
God I fucking hope so. Maybe we get out this way.,
Yes, I hope her momentum continues to grow and that she snaps up the undecided vote as people become more familiar with her.
But at that point, the question becomes whether she needs to debate. The Pod Save guys were saying that if she’s ahead in the blue wall states by September it might be the smarter move to stay on the campaign trail and deny Trump the national airtime.
Sure Trump’s cowardice will damage his campaign.
Press X to doubt.
Nothing damages this guy when it comes to his cult. He could go on stage and start sobbing like a child if he bumps his toe on the podium and the propagandists on Fox and the like will just say Democrats set it up to hit him and put pepper spray on the podium or something.
In this case it won’t be cowardice, it will be a “totally reasonable” bullshit argument as to why it isn’t proper to do and they’ll all pat themselves on the back for being “above shitty politics” while beating up Kamala for wanting to debate “out of turn.”
It’s about the undecided - not his cult
Felon, pedophile, rapist, coward.
There are so many ways to describe this man
Brave Sir Donald ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Gingerly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!
Sir?
You…
You get the joke, right?
I’d say in this very specific context, it’s appropriate.
I think its Monty Python but not 100%
Yup. Monty Python and the Holy Grail to be precise.
Remind me again, was Sir Donald the one that planned the wooden rabbit?
in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it was the “scientifically leaned” Sir Bedevere (Terry Jones)
Coulda fooled me, given the general quality of trumps planning and organization skills.
…which is how we know the world to be banana shaped.
Great, I had plans this evening…
It’s only a bloody model.
Alright, I’m just gonna say it… your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberry.
Brave Sir Donald, indeed.
Should have replaced “danger reared its ugly head” with. “logic needed to be said”
Donnie doesn’t want to debate?
Running scared
Paywall
So… Biden wasn’t the nominee yet but he did a debate. Harris isn’t the nominee yet but… What?
This is hilarious. Will this help more than going into a debate? Likely not, but they will have to do one after a nomination, right?
Even funnier, the nominee will be set by that date either way. So the excuse doesn’t even work to say they don’t want to debate an uncertain nominee.
but they will have to do one after a nomination, right?
Says whom?
It was a question.
The well-documented cowardice of this geriatric and demented rapist insurrectionist.
🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔
If your platform and policy are good, you can debate anyone at any time. If your platform is just “other guy bad” then you’re gonna have a hard time.
Trump campaign says it won’t commit to Harris debate until she’s confirmed as nominee.
Biden wasn’t confirmed as nominee…
He was presumptive though
Now it’s like if Trump actually wins a debate vs her then someone else would just win the nomination
Really no motivation for his side to do it
Harris has enough delegates to get the nominee. She’s now the presumptive nominee.
Idk what to tell you other than read this again
Now it’s like if Trump actually wins a debate vs her then someone else would just win the nomination
Well that would make sense, except that the debate is coming after the DNC, so she will not be the presumptive nominee by the time he’s debating her.
Yep. Democrats could just once again bait and switch. Waste of time and energy.
This is a lame excuse. More likely, he’s just scared of debating her.
Is Harris not equally as presumptive as Biden was?
The presumptive hadn’t backed out after a bad debate before
Which is justified
Hhhmmm…
Why did the Trump campaign commit to a debate with Biden despite Biden not being confirmed?
… Is it?
They’re still blowing that dog whistle with Obama’s middle name. For fuck’s sake, grow up!
Yeah, same with the “Democrat party” dog whistle, and randomly throwing around the word “Marxist”. His whole campaign is just memes and buzzwords.
The dumbest take my racists family friends use is the tired DemocRAT. Oh so clever.
I’m just glad we never have to hear Let’s Go Brandon ever again.
He is afraid of strong, smart women. He is afraid of people who can laugh. And he is deadly afraid of ending up losing the debate and the vote to a black woman, the kind of person that should in his mind be as inferior as a bug.
He’s afraid to compete against a black woman.
At least he admits he isn’t in the same class as her.
Coward
