• AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Being a person doesn’t give them the right to someone else’s body to survive.

    Unless we’re legalizing forced blood, liver, marrow, and kidney donation?

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      I’ll probably get down-voted to oblivion for asking, but continuing this train of thought: If a woman gives birth to a baby and simply walks away, should she be charged with a crime?

      If not, why?

      If so, why?

      There are plenty of examples of this, so it really isn’t thoeretical.

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        Yes, because that baby is helpless and is her responsibility to take care of. It’s also an actual person, not a potential person like a fetus is.

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            Moving the goalposts. That is not “simply walking away.” That’s following an established process in place.

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              4 months ago

              Following the established process for what?

              Is it for “walking away from parental responsibility?”

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          What if she was impregnated against her will? What if she was forced to birth the child against her will? Is it still her responsibility?

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            It is her responsibility to make sure the baby isn’t just being left to die somewhere, yes. If she wants to take it somewhere where others will take care of it, so be it. But it is NEVER right to “simply walk away.”

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              Yeah, there’s no excuse for dumpster babies when it is so easy to leave them with responsible people who will ensure the child grows up safe, in a loving home.

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                While it’s not easy to find safe, loving homes, at least give the kid a chance at life rather than dooming it to a horrible death.

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            “What is a woman was raped, then locked up for 9 months until she gave birth, then let free. Would she be at fault if she abandoned the baby?”

            1. Considering the severe mental trauma involved here: No, I don’t think she would be.
            2. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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              Yes, she would be if she left it on the street or in a dumpster or something. If she doesn’t want it, she should surrender it to someone or someplace that will take care of it What the fuck is wrong with YOU that you think it’s acceptable for a baby to be left to die?

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                She’s been locked in a room and tormented for 9 months. I’m not saying it’s “acceptable”, I’m saying it’s understandable if the first thing she does is run away from the symbol of her torment. Much like how murder isn’t acceptable, but if the first thing she did was murder the person who tortured her there wouldn’t be a jury that would convict her. There is a strong case for temporary insanity.

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        Yes because you have an active duty to seek continuation of care when leaving someone helpless. It’s like walking away after trying to help an unconscious stranger when you learn they need cpr. You don’t necessarily need to give them cpr but you should have to at least call 911 for them

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        Yes, because it’s trivial to simply leave the baby at a fire station. The important distinction is that it’s drastically easier to carry a baby for 10 blocks than 10 months.

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        She is not and should not get in any trouble. If anything the decision should be celebrated, as long as we’re talking about a safe dropoff at a hospital or other safe haven.

        The child will go from a mother who was in a situation so bad she was willing to give up her baby, to most likely a couple that’s been waiting years to adopt and are dying to be parents.

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        I can’t see down votes (blahaj user), but I hope you weren’t downvoted to oblivion. It’s good to ask questions that examine one’s beliefs and those of others. It’s a great way to grow as a person. I personally believe the more difficult and awkward the question, the more it should be considered.

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        It’s easy to bring a baby to a facility and say “I can’t do this.” There is no punishment for doing so.

        It’s much more difficult to leave a fetus at a facility and say “I can’t do this.”

        It is also very difficult to get a 3rd trimester abortion unless there are some major health risks involved. During the 1st trimester (when 95% of abortions are performed) the fetus is physically incapable of feeling pain.