The answer is simple. We are expanding the definition of, and redefining, Nazis. I’m familiar with the general ideology of the group & how we might classify thoughts as adjacent, but I don’t see Republicans shoving Jews, homosexuals, special needs, and gypsies into concentration camps/gas chambers/ovens.
It’s hard to draw lines. But I’m just going to shoot from the hip here & say, it seems to me like there’s a group of people that wants not only all kinds of freedoms. But also recognition. Accolades. Worship. Dominance in the public space. Anyone that opposes this stupid agenda -yes, agenda- is a Nazi. So we equate Republicans & conservatives with murderous fuckheads that genocide entire groups of minorities. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Yep, it’s the same picture, totally the same thing, your beliefs are correct & your so-called righteous indignation is justified. We call them all Nazis, historically the worst kind of people, which of course justifies any kind of hatred or violence in response.
Shoot Trump in the head. It’s more than okay, we celebrate assassination attempts, because he’s literally Cheeto Hitler. He’s the death of duhmoocracy. Please kill Donald Trump. If he’s elected, it’s the end of the United States of America, there will be no more elections. He will be a dictator, he’ll never leave, duhmoocracy will be gone forever. No more duhmoocracy. Whatever will happen to America…if we lose our precious duhmoocracy? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I want every American to analyze the situation, logically. Consider what is best for the United States. Getting back to the main discussion: look back at the Nazis in Nazi Germany & everything they did. Are genocidal German Nazis actually making a comeback? Or are we just…labeling everybody we don’t like a Nazi & therefore (grossly, stupidly) expanding the definition of Nazi to conveniently demonize the other side?
Ew. A nazi sympathizer.
Your take is fucking stupid & not based in fact. Nazi sympathizer? Please explain how I sympathize with Nazis.
I don’t care about your worthless nazi opinion.
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The more you overuse (and misuse) a term, the less it means.
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FWIW I don’t respect you at all, either.
The more you overuse a term, the less it means.
You’re just mad because people noticed. Don’t pollute my inbox again.
I am not mad, you still fail to define how I am a Nazi (because you & everyone else knows your premise is bullshit), and you certainly don’t have the authority to tell me what to do. So go fuck yourself. Or don’t, nobody cares.
I am not mad, you still fail to define how I am a Nazi
No one owes you an explanation, and I’m not going to waste my time arguing semantics with a nazi. If you want more out of me, go upstairs and ask your parents what it’s like to live with disappointment.
please explain - spoken like a nazi sympathizer.
Deflecting. That’s kind of weird, but not surprising.
that’s not what deflecting is… but that was.
What’s a shame is that, for all of your words, you seem to know very little about WW2 and Nazi Germany. You’ve reduced it all to basically a straw man so you can win an argument no-one is making. Honestly, if I was a nazi, I’d be insulted by your reductivism. As someone against nazis, it’s insulting too.
In the end, it’s a lot of words to say you’re a) ignorant as hell and b) probably qualify as a nazi
Trump is called a fascist not because of his conservative/traditional rhetoric. In fact none of the alt-right are THAT conservative. I mean, Trump himself is a pretty liberal cosmopolitan playboy.
The accusation stems from his lack of respect for democracy, rule of law and his fascist behavior. Trumpism is a fascist cult in all aspects. The movement has no real coherent ideological basis. It’s literally a cult of personality surrounding Trump.
Here we go. 🙂 FTR, I classify Trump as… Old-school Democrat, Left+1. If you will. He supports the right for abortion, which is unthinkable for hardcore Republicans. Those crazy-ass single issue voters. AKA, morons.
First sentence of paragraph two I suspect is colored by your political leanings… The rest tbh holds some merit, but what’s the alternative? Braindead Biden to the moon?? Oh wait nevermind, now it’s totally Kamala,
the person everybody despised & ridiculed until 5 minutes agothe blessed Savior of duhmoocracy, the best & brightest (lol) to be the leader of the free world.I readily admit, Trump isn’t our best. But without 8 years of Obama, there wouldn’t be a Trump, and without a Trump there wouldn’t be a Biden, and here we are again & Biden is so fucking gone. Everybody knew it. Somebody wanted Trump dead, because he actually has a chance of winning, if he didn’t an attempt wouldn’t be made.
So now it’s Kamala (lol) vs Trump. My odds are on Trump unless some loser tried to murder him. Again. Kamala has no successes or record to stand on; she’s an embarrassment. And a socialist. But I repeat myself. 🙃
The American public is forced to choose between two radically different candidates. Neither is close to ideal.
I will close with saying I respect you for honest discourse, not an anonymous downvote or saying any of the following I’ve gotten recently: “Lol”, “You are the yikes”, or “I am so totally persecuted for identifying as a super special limited edition pansexual glow in the dark holographic yo-yo, and I refuse to elaborate any further on substantial details that back up my claims to victimhood. I’m just going to post some random-ass claim to make you feel bad & illegitimately claim a moral high ground”.
Trumpism has culty aspects. Agreed. But the alternative is Kamala Harris. Not choosing Trump means choosing Harris. Just another election cycle of choosing between two very different, not ideal extremes.
lol
Can I get a yikes
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you are the yikes.
Okay.
Damn, your wall of text got removed for some reason. You worked so hard on it, too.
You still don’t have an answer, just the smallest smartass responses. Looks like you’re known for them. Your life appears to be…very small. Maybe you should try working harder. 🙃
You’re sad, and I am sad for you.
Grow up and speak like an adult
Okay, go fuck yourself. Done.
Ah yes the side that calls me a pedophile (and just by sheer luck wants to give all sex offenders who commit crimes against children mind you). Great answer, both sides are obviously the same.
…idk about your personal situation that is calling for labeling you a pedophile. I have a friend that technically qualifies for indecent exposure in public/sex offender, he needed to take a drunk piss at 1 AM, so in spirit I empathize. Common sense screams, more clarification is needed for sure.
Existing as a trans person. Literally nothing else.
More context is needed. You existing as a trans person doesn’t bother me at all, 0%. I have no interest in continuing debate if you are being persecuted for existing as a trans person.
Have you literally looked at republican rhetoric? They call queer peope (even more so trans women) groomers because their bigoted asses need to create a culture war. There literally is no context needed it is just the literal rhetoric they spout.
I am looking at it almost every day. Ngl you’ve picked a terrible time to have this conversation as everyone is going wild over Ava Kris Tyson and all the alleged inappropriate messages he sent to minors, etc. Lot of weird stuff there. 😅
There’s sexual abuse of children everywhere. Epstein Island, right? And idc if you’re gay, straight, trans, white, black, brown, etc. All abusers should be accountable.
I would argue there’s no need to create a culture war; we are in one. Right now & probably since 2012-ish. It’s wishful thinking on my part, but we really need to come together as a nation. Restore law, order, and decency. Find things we can agree on instead of tearing everybody down. If we can’t do that, I don’t think we’re going to make it.
billionaires are so afraid of being taxed they’ll happily fund people and groups who want to kill people who want to tax them.
The real billionaires love taxation. It helps them getting rid of the competition.
Its been a long slow boil. And Nazis were only part of the problem. In the early 1930s many businessmen and Republicans in the US plotted a Hitler style coup against FDR. They did worse than Hitler, but escaped most consequences. And over the last century quietly plotted and built. Here and abroad. Fostering the “right kind” of fascism. Theirs.
It probably would have gone on a little longer. Because I don’t think they were quite ready to actually try to coup again. But they’ve been socially engineering a new class of supremely manipulable Voters who lack any critical thinking skills. However a childish malignant narcissist managed to get the attention of that tool. And stole it from the Republican fascist. Basically largely spoiling the plot. And causing them to have to move before they were ready.
Also the ability for instance Global and often still largely Anonymous communication made propaganda easier and cheaper than ever before. The old style leaflet drops over territories were never very effective. And even radio broadcasts or easy to thwart. Now enemy Nations only need to pay a few people for online shitposting in hot beds lacking critical thinking. And they can turn their enemies people into their own tools.
Are you serious they pay people to troll? Kind of make me wonder how much and is it even worth it.
Definitely. In a lot of developing countries with basic internet access these people can actually make good livings doing that. As long as they’re skill in the foreign language is adequate enough. Though today a lot of that is being taken over by basic low-end generative machine learning models. Something else false information faster than it takes to debunk it.
So if I learn a couple languages and put a post on craiglist that I am a willing troll. I will get hired?
Not unless you live in a country with a low standard and cost of living. And not likely even then. Because even at a Payday they generally work ed for larger businesses and weren’t a freelance Craigslist sort of thing. That and here in the United States there’s too much free competition to really be effective for them to pay anyone over here as well.
Funny that you mention payday and am sitting here in the hospital eating one.
I hope you’re having your head checked!
Short version: the Nazis lost but the fascists won.
WWII basically ended in fascists vs fascists - Nazi Germany pulled a lot of their ideas from the US and before Pearl Harbor the US stance was ambivalent. They thought Hitler had some good points, but it would be OK if he lost.
capitalism. fascism is the logical conclusion of capitalism, so the entire world living in a capitalist society helps fascism rise. if you crush people’s spirits hard enough, you can give them easy solutions to their problems so they can get off your scent.
no no, the billionaires are awesome; it’s the immigrants honey. the education system would be awesome if not for drag queens baby. you would have healthcare but see it’s all the DEI hire sweetie.
it’s just lizard brain shit. “brown people bad” is just an easier and more convenient message to digest than trying to understand how the government and the economy actually works.
I mean no sarcasm in this but you seem very knowledgeable do you got any links or something to support it because I love reading.
Not OP, but maybe the following: “The Mass Psychology of Fascism” by Wilhelm Reich provides an analysis of the psychological appeal of fascism, examining how economic conditions and capitalist societies create environments where fascist ideologies can thrive.
Sigh. One could also make the argument that capitalism is the only reason we have democracy at all. I am not allergic to socialist thinking, but putting all the blame on capitalism for everything is intellectually lazy.
I doubt the person you’re replying to would disagree that the advent of capitalism is in fact what brought liberal democracy into existence. The point though is that such progress is unsustainable under a capitalist system and that it will result in various crises, war, and fascism. Therefore we do need to find a way to move past capitalism if we want even the possibility of creating a better world.
Is your dad still around? Maybe he was holding them at bay.
His dad sounds like a good man. I’d like to shake his hand. Or if thats not an option, salute his headstone.
I hate to be negative, but people have shown a propensity to dislike anyone not like them for thousands of years. Plain and simple. I think this situation can improve, but I doubt seriously, it will ever go away completely.
I kind of wish I knew how to troll nazi’s or call them out irl or just make them change the narrative. I know I am one woman but if I went about it correctly and got more people smarter than me we can shut their stupid shit down.
Dude I live in Ohio and see the confederate flag on porches. OHIO!!! I’m so far north in Cleveland that only a lake seperates me from Canada!!!
We were NEVER part of the confederacy! And once you leave Cleveland area, into the rural farmlands, its all confederate flags and trump flags.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Iowa here, same thing. This state has a very progressive history, but that’s being erased at lightning speed
That should tell you everything you need to know.
That morons live everywhere.
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Anyone now seeing how some people are slowly converting their house into like a campaign collage with these Trump banners printed on corrugated plastic.
Yes, and I live north of the Canadian border. They seem to think Trump is a viable alternative to Trudeau.
Was at the musuem in Gettysburg recently and the amount of Confederate flag hats/shirts I saw was wild. I’m sure the contents of the museum would’ve upset them if they could read
They didn’t lose. You’re probably talking about Nazi Germany. Yes, that country lost. Doesn’t mean Nazis in Germany magically disappeared. Doesn’t mean Nazis anywhere else disappeared. Your dad never won over Nazis, just one particular Nazi country.
Even though he fought all across Europe?
The Nazi party fled to many corners of the globe. Fascism exists outside of the Nazi party. Between those two things, fascism never really died. The Nazi party was shut down, made illegal in much of Europe. The other fascists welcomed those that made it out. Most modern day fascists that use Nazi imagery are called neo-nazis. Not the same group from WW2. Neo-nazis have been around for decades. Until recently they were not nearly as organized.
Not promoting violence but can we do something against them to make them feel marginalized?
I’m honestly not sure. You could try doxing the lower ranks, they need jobs and employers don’t usually love Nazis.
Just thought I would cash in on making fun of all the nazi bullshit if someone would sponsor me LOL.
Now that’s an idea. I’d join that patreon.
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That still doesn’t mean that all Nazis just magically stopped existing. Sure, a lot of them were killed in the war, but way more of them weren’t
To give an intellectually honest guess, I’d say the honest among them think that form of socialism is the best way to handle resources and that violent revolution is the only way to get there effectively. The dishonest among them likely just wanna exploit the rest of them.
Yea but what happens if the succeed in a violent revolution. Then the other side comes along and overthrow them?
With another violent revolution? Iunno. Ask those guys.
Wouldn’t really be violent we just take back the government then put them on trial for the world to see.
But how?
With peaceful violence
The Nazis called themselves “national-socialists”, because socialism was popular at the time. Anyone who actually wanted socialism would have voted for the social-democratic party (SPD) or the communist party (KPD). The actual politics of the NSDAP were very much focused on the nationalist, xenophobic part. You just rarely have the baddies calling themselves “the baddies party”.
But what about the dudes doing it today?
The dudes doing socialism are socialists. The dudes doing racist and inhumane shit are nazis.
Do the Nazis even have a cover story at this point?
Because we have been letting them run their mouths again without being afraid.
You wana know how to get them to shut the fuck up look up why nazis don’t go to punk shows anymore.
You want to get rid of them. You have 2 options 1 is illegal, and I can’t say what it is, and option 2 is through education and thearpy and them wanting to change.
I can say what it is…beat the shit out of them. I probably won’t unless it came to war, and then I would use weapons instead.
A similar option that I’m willing to say is “see a nazi, punch a nazi.” I am anti-violence, but I don’t have a problem with people who punch nazis. Nazi principles are vile.
If you see someone else punch a nazi, no you didn’t. That nazi fell.
Or hit a doorknob.
I suggested this many months ago and got a time out. Amazing how different each mod is.
They have kinda always been a thing. Nazi’s were just one flavor of nationalist, after all.
Charles de Gaulle defined nationalism best: “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
For most people, it’s extremely easy to blame others for problems of their own creation. By the same token, people who can’t see their own shortcomings will also usually latch on to leaders who are able to amplify that bias. For the Nazis, it was mostly against the jews.
Also, what you are seeing in the news is partially amplified by the news itself but also, politicians are getting more brazen in mustering the support of those groups. This has lead to people being a little more open about something that needs to stay taboo, IMHO.
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Another interesting property of fascists is how their “enemy” is described in lurid but contradicting ways that don’t make any sense when you think about it for more than half a second.
One minute, the “enemy” is described as weak, pathetic, disgusting, sub-human, sickly, cowardly, stupid little losers who can’t punch out of a wet paper bag. The next minute, the “enemy” is described as threatening, all-seeing, clever, oppressive, bold and brazen, powerful, influential, dominating the government, ruining people’s lives, etc.
It’s maddening. And some people are absolute suckers for it.
Like Schroedinger’s Immigrant. At all times he is stealing your job and a lazy, jobless, criminal.
We need to spend more research funds observing these immigrants to collapse them into a single state!
Well shit, that’s a much shorter and better way to put it.
You forgot cunning and plotting
Too much estrogen in the water
It’s not just Nazis. The world is trending towards authoritarianism across the board, on the right and the left. Democratic and social institutions everywhere are failing. People don’t trust each other anymore.
The real problem: in the race to build massive civilizations we have destroyed all of our communities.
It’s because men with zuper tiny penis’ need something to do, to prove how “manly” and “strong” they are.
I hated nazi’s to begin with. But after reading all these comments it makes me hate them even more. I do not know when the US turned to listen to even the most remote nazi?
So just to add some factual context here. Your Dad fought actual nazis. The people we call nazis are not actually (nor will they be) that powerful. The world thanks men like your father for their success. The losers we call nazis today also go by many names, christians, christian nationalists, evangelicals, KKK, racists, bigots, white supremacists, dictators, etc. But the one name that actually describes who and what they are is Fascists.
Millions of people died from COVID yet look how many denied its effects (and still do) and didn’t/don’t get vaccinated. Because it wasn’t happening to them right there in their faces (and in some cases it was and they still denied it on their death beds). If people can’t even learn from that as it happened in real time all around them, what hope do we have for people to care about and learn from things that happened 80-90 years ago?
