The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.
They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.
A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.
The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.
Jake and Elwood knew how to handle it.
Gather up all of your neighbors and go punch some Nazi trash.
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Punch a Nazi in the face
I need that on a t-shirt
My ex worked at a local screen printing shop, and I hung out there a lot and made some cash during big orders. I went to the owner with a simple “punch more nazis” design I made stoned, half jokingly asked him to burn the design so my ex could print it for me.
It was the business version of that genie “thats dope you still have 3 wishes” meme - “yea I’ll burn it in the morning you know where the extras (leftover unused shirts) are 🤷♂️”
We never got along super well but we knew where we agreed lmao
In 1943-45, you just shot them.
turn a blind eye to the black bloc stalking them
The greatest generation knew how to deal with Nazis. Flamethrowers, bombs, artillery & bayonets. That’s all the conversation needed.
No, no, you see, war is bad, therefore, we should take the high road and let the Nazis slaughter us while we lodge diplomatic complaints at the UN in the hope of getting them to stop, eventually, someday. /s
The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.
The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,
Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that’s something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It’s not that fucking hard.
Both you and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world are arguing the same point. The only difference is @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.
First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it’s more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It’s been done elsewhere with great effect.
The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us
Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?
I don’t want this sort of thing going on, but what law would justify jail time?
I mean maybe they did do something to justify it, but I don’t know that disrupting a city council meeting should land people in jail. People also disrupt city council meetings when they try to pass anti-queer ordinances. And they should.
Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?
Criminal trespass, easy. Fuck, that’s levied all the time as a club against left-wing protesters. Yet when actual neonazis show up, they get nothing? Fuck that.
Criminal trespass…
Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.
Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.
I’m used to normal city council meetings being private, and public ones being the exception.
They’re open to the public unless certain members are asked to leave.
A public building can still kick someone out, and if they don’t leave, then that’s trespassing.
I think the answer to that is not ‘also arrest the Nazis,’ it’s ‘don’t arrest the left-wing protesters either.’
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
Arrest any and all groups that storm in and disrupt government functions, simple as that
Which means that people in the government can argue that virtually anything the government does is a “government function.” Mayor’s press conference? Government function. Better arrest those protesters. Governor’s mansion? It has public tours. That’s a government function. Better arrest those protestors.
Look what happened without that law when a president wanted a photo op with a Bible in front of a church. And you want to make that even easier?
You can protest outside the building perfectly fine, storming into the chambers and stopping the agenda is blatant disruption and I won’t argue it.
But how do you make it clear that is the government function that can’t be disrupted but the press conference afterward can because it does not count as a government function?
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
And neither does playing by the gentleman’s rules of boxing when your opponent is using brass knuckles. Fucking “They go low, we go high”? Did we not learn our lesson? If a weapon is used, the correct answer is to make the opposition see why that weapon was banned in the first place - it’s the same reason why many signatories of the Geneva Protocol allow for retaliation if chemical weapons are used against them.
So left-wing protesters should continue to be arrested as long as Nazis are also arrested? Really?
So left-wing protesters should continue to be arrested as long as Nazis are also arrested? Really?
… what? Not arresting Nazis isn’t going to magically un-arrest left-wing protesters.
It’s also not going to arrest Nazis that have already done these things. So how about we don’t arrest anyone for protesting and just make it legal from now on?
Left-wing protestors respect the social contract. NAZIs don’t, and therefore do not deserve to be protected by it.
People don’t deserve equal rights under the law? Are you sure that’s the position you want to take up? Because it sounds like a very Republican position.
Left-wing protestors not getting arrested isn’t even on the table here, so I don’t see why the argument should be couched based on that.
Why isn’t it on the table? Shouldn’t it be on the table?
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
Good point: the correct answer is, don’t treat them equally, because they don’t act equally. What we should be doing is exactly the opposite of what we are doing: fucking-up the NAZIs while leaving the left-wing protestors alone.
This is not hypocrisy, by the way. This is a simple application of consequences: those who do not respect the social contract do not deserve to be protected by it.
It may not be hypocrisy, but it is suggesting that the law continue to be applied unequally (just the opposite way around), which is definitely not a progressive position.
After seeing federal agents literally kidnapping people off the streets of Portland for “looking like protesters,” yes absolutely they can arrest them even if the charges are bullshit or won’t stick.
Not if they don’t get paid for it.
Civil disobedience can get you arrested, and while you might beat the rap, you can’t beat the ride.
This is a good start: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r_UP_EiXwKA
May I also suggest setting up rotten vegetable stands at the farmer’s markets?
Counterprotest.
How do you do that, when they protest illegally? They go in without permits in u-hauls and just create chaos out of nowhere. It’s planned, but not in the public eye.
Then it’s not a question of free speech, I suppose. I’m not from the US, but I assume that demonstrations have to be registered in your country too. If this is the case, the police can easily crack down, break up these illegal gatherings, impose fines and so on. I am of course aware that there are sympathizers among the police - but they have to abide by the law if they want to keep their jobs. I don’t understand why there is any need for a discussion about freedom of expression at all when these demonstrators just disrupt public order and try to intimidate people. That has nothing to do with freedom of speech - sound more like a felony to me.
I absolutely agree but I’m many cases they hide behind masks and then take off before enough meaningful presence can be mustered against them, even in a big city like Nashville. These guys are cowards that rely on significant advantage of numbers and surprise to intimidate. Then take off before anybody has time to do anything about it.
Well, that’s a real problem. In this case, there is probably nothing much to do but rely on the civil courage of citizens and hope that someone will at least take down the license plate number or that maybe a critical mass will form quickly enough to detain these idiots until the police arrives. I am glad that such actions by fascists do not (yet) exist in my country (Germany). In the city where I live, even a whole bunch of sad Nazis would have no fun at all if they tried something like that. But that can be quite different elsewhere in my home country too. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you find a way to deal with these morons. Be save!
Edit: In Germany, this kind of behavior might be enough to be investigated for forming a terrorist organization - which is what is being attempted here: spreading terror. Perhaps you can collect signatures to persuade your representatives to take action.
but they have to abide by the law if they want to keep their jobs
Oh my sweet summer child…
Exactly, I can’t for the life of me imagine that these clowns are in the majority in any major city.
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lol. My comment about killing Nazis got removed by these right-wing mods
About time to put these “stand your ground” laws to work.
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Reload when it goes “click”.
Point.
Laugh.
Call them “weird”.
Make them realize how unpopular they really are.
Briefly, then go all out ignoring them
Turn on the sprinklers.
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For starters, it can not arrest the bartender that punched a nazi after that nazi started a fight.
My dude didn’t deserve to be arrested, he deserved to drink for free throughout Lower Broadway!
