Who is surprised?
I’m glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.
And those really aren’t that big of a deal since I haven’t had a failure to play a game so far.
It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn’t even choose a simple distro and haven’t even had too difficult of a time.
Well, not without also uninstalling Windows…
[ Insert “I see this as an absolute win!” meme here ]
Except I’m a gamedev, and I’ll have to keep around at least one Windows PC. Might be a Win10 one with extended support updates.
Oof. Yeah, I don’t use my computer for work, so I’d never even thought of that. That’s annoying.
Even if you can’t cleanly remove it, you can probably delete a few system files and break it. It’s not like the whole thing will be baked into kernel32.dll.
Sometimes you have to fight with the OS to make it work but that should be due to a bug (or my incompetence in using it). When it’s not working because it’s actually working on someone else’s behalf you can probably delete the whole fucking thing mate.
I’m actually enjoying the Linux learning curve because I know it’s not working against my interests.
On the other hand, every time I’ve had to go “under the hood” with Windows (Registry settings, config files) it’s been to prevent Microsoft from doing something sh*tty to me.
Cortana and IE break the OS if you fuck with the registry hard enough. When I deploy W11 to my building I wonder how much GP is gonna need to be setup to fix this bullshit
Not yet…
Good point. Sounds like the kind of company I want to do business with. /s
I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.
I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.
Specially since there’s no Microsoft app that has ever securely functioned past a few days. This thing is gonna be hacked as soon as it comes out an we won’t know until until there’s an investigation into the accidental death of thirty innocent people as passengers in some vehicle somewhere controlled by windows 11 or something… Boeing re-entry vehicle maybe? Nah! You guys are good! Just jump in and come back home already!
shouldn’t be doing personal stuff on work computer. let the company deal with recall if they don’t want their shit leaked.
They didn’t mention personal stuff
then he/she can let the organization decide about recall, it’s not up to him at this point unless he’s the owner. maybe the organization wants recall to further spy on employees and that’s a different reason to not work for them at that point.
That… that’s what they were saying, no? Companies should worry about their shit.
I can’t wait until the first breach caused by Recall hits the FCC. It’s definitely gonna happen.
I hope Khan is in charge of the FCC that catches it.
Somewhere, some patent lawyers are going to make millions debating about whether or not this constitutes “public disclosure”.
If the US government bitching was enough to get the flight simulator easter egg removed from Excel (allegedly), I can’t imagine a similar stern glare from the Pentagon would not cause Recall to magically turn out to be uninstallable after all. At least from any US government owned computers originally so equipped.
Anyway, isn’t this only going to roll out on “Copilot” compatible PC’s with the requisite AI acceleration chips in them? I would be furthermore immensely surprised if it could not be locked out in Group Policy for corporate customers.
As a small business, I need MS office & 2 other pieces of software that have no Linux versions. Rightly pissed off that I’ll have to upgrade my main machines to Win 11 by Oct 25.
MS office PWA is nearly indentical to the desktop apps these days. I switched to linux where I use outlook and excel via pwa for work, and it’s been fine. My M$ centered workplace is actually setting up an option to use linux on their laptops soon, too. I can’t wait for that.
The web app is nowhere near as powerful as the desktop app. I need the desktop app for about 25% of my work.
Which one specifically? Outlook is identical, and excel is nearly the same. Excel is just missing a couple developer mode options like adding a checkbox to a cell, which were basically just gimmicky imo anyways.
Excel web app can’t do pivot tables and a number of other things that the desktop version can do. Been a while since I looked though.
Have you looked into OnlyOffice. Nice office suite that saves in MS file extensions. Use it all the tjme
I’m guessing those pieces of software won’t run in wine? Its pretty good these days.
I’ve never tried. Does it handle random applications or would they need to be on a list?
it will attempt anything. just search around for anyone else whose tried the app. odds are pretty good.
Wine is pretty good for most things I’ve tried, except new Office (will run the old versions OK). Try O365, if Libre Office won’t cut it. You can try the installer in Wine without hurting anything. For your other stuff,I keep a Windows 8 vm around off network to run some ancient radio programming software, so maybe that is an option.
Does M365 not run on Linux?
what are they? you could search for/ask around in linux forums if wine works well :]
At this point, I think they are actively trying to drive us away.
The Elon Musk Maneuver.
It’s like the Picard Maneuver, but where you just warp straight in front of your enemy while simultaneously shitting yourself.
They will certainly succeed at driving some people away. I was a lifetime Windows user and I currently don’t have it installed on any of my machines now. I think the average Joe is blissfully unaware other than the occasional dialog about a new feature coming their way.
I think they are going to lose more of the hardcore tech community with decisions like these, but I don’t know that they care.
but the “hardcore tech community” guys are the IT guys of all companies. so this means a lot of the people who are in IT related meetings and have a say in which OSes to install will now be opposed to Win11. A lot will probably suggest waiting to hopefully be able to skip 11, but some will choose alternatives.
News flash, a lot of the hardcore tech community already used Linux and would’ve pushed for it in related meetings.
Using Windows isn’t a sign of advocacy, it’s a sign of legacy. Companies don’t want to swap and change things.
Right but if Windows is now becoming a problem then it’s a start. And so many software developers I know use MacBooks for their job and say that they’re just better for the work. Microsoft is hoping that the fear of change means they can do whatever they want, if they even have any thoughts in their thick heads at all that is, and don’t seem to realize that at some point even the most devoted users will have to face the fact that there are better options.
Fuck Windows, it’s such an ass product that’s only selling point right now that some key products don’t work on anything else simply because the developers of them don’t want to do the work and not because it has some magic sauce that a Mac or Linux machine doesn’t.
I hate being bothered. Linux, while overall almost botherless, still looses to windows.
But damn me, when Win 10 loses support, I am jumping to nobara. Win 11 seems to be win 10 with every addon being something I harbor dislike for.
I do like the convenience of Windows and I’m still on W10, when it loses support I’ll be switching to Linux too.
Linux, while overall almost botherless, still looses to windows.
Been using mint for around 2 months and I would say this is pretty accurate. Pretty much every game I play works out of the box. Discord however crashes the whole system sometimes and I can’t figure out why. Would still recommend Linux over windows but you will for sure encounter more issues.
Try vesktop. Maybe that will help.
They don’t care and you really don’t matter in the big scope of things.
In most situations i agree with you, but i think when it comes to the purchase of techie things (like which computers and OS a company should use) then the opinion of techies matters. Their opinion may not matter as much as it should, but in aggregate over time it can cause large changes in purchasing decisions
There was a time when they did try to listen. Since 11 was being imagined, it all was downhill. I used to work for them and all messaging changed once 11 was being worked on
To be honest, they probably are. My pet theory is that they’re trying to do what do many politicians are doing - drive away everyone but the strongest base electorate that will stay with them no matter what they do. And then, the grift starts. I’m reasonably sure sooner rather than later they’ll start charging a subscription fee to use Windows, and people and companies will bend over and pay it…
You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?
You do know that many millions of people are given laptops/desktops for work that have locks that prevent new OS’s from being installed, right?
Enterprise CAD does not play well with wine sadly(im such with fusion). But i locked that local account windows install away on a second hard drive with default boot to Linux.
Yup. We’re mostly a linux shop at work, but Fusion360 is almost the only thing we keep Windows around for
Who else has ever invented such a powerful spyware?
Serious question. Because usually Microsoft are not the first ones with anything, it is very likely that there is a predecessor.
Now I am quite disturbed because I don’t know how and where we are being spied on already in such an infamous manner!
Vietnam? They have their own browser (CocCoc) and IM application (Zalo).
There is a Mac app called Rewind that came out a couple of years ago that does the same thing. There was also an open source thing for Windows. Everyone is desperate to show that they are hip and can do AI. It looks like someone at Microsoft saw a demo of one of those apps and thought that putting it into Windows would let them brag about how much AI Windows can do. They clearly tried to rush it out in time for their Copilot PC marketing push.
The idea is that you can use local LLM models and image scanning to talk to your computer. You could ask it to summarize your day, ask what you were working on last week, or find those articles you vaguely remember reading last year and can’t find anymore. I can almost see the merit, but the security risk is so high.
I wonder if people will eventually stop caring about the security risk of features like this. Those AI girlfriends some people dream about will have access to so much private information. Give this thing a voice and you can market it as a companion who learns the things you like and can talk with you about the things you are reading. Hackers might be able to see literally everything you’ve done on the computer for the last few years, but you’ll get to feel like Iron Man with your own personal Jarvis.
I think the average Joe doesn’t really understand or care about the security risk of such a feature, because they assume that there are competent people at the company who have considered the security risk and took sufficient steps to address it. It’s not by accident that there’s a meme about some guy having a smart fridge and watch and everything, and his friend the IT expert, who doesn’t have a single piece of smart tech and keeps a gun in the kitchen in case the toaster makes a wrong move…
China?
Tell me more?
What was it, not even two months ago when they said they “listened” to us and that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall? And we all said they would still roll it in later when the dust had settled? Yup, we were right.
It happens every time…tech companies are not worried what users think because users don’t care enough to switch to Linux.
Whoops we turned the heat up too quickly and the frogs noticed. Just turn it back down for a bit then begin heating up again, just a little slower this time.
At that point they said that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall in the current state. It was never in question that it would come eventually. The question was in what state?
You get to drink from the fire hose!!!
Just finally switched my gaming PC to Linux mint. It works flawlessly. I can even re-use the steam game files I downloaded on Windows. Never going back.
Yeah I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for many years now, but sure, a few games don’t work. I’m OK with that since almost all actually do work.
This is where we say switch to Linux, right?
Yeah but I think most of us have already… We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.
Eh, I switched. I switched all of my lab’s computers, too, and my PhD students have remarked a few different times that Linux is pretty cool. It might snowball.
I don’t think Linux will displace Windows meaningfully any time soon, but I do think people underestimate the fact that most people don’t install their own OSs. They get people like you to do it for them.
If they keep going at this pace, even the average person will be sick of it. My company was already considering it (after some input from myself and a couple coworkers) after they first announced recall. We sometimes deal with sensitive information that we can’t share with anyone outside the company. Periodic screenshots, regardless of what Microsoft says they will do, is a huge security risk.
It still can be disabled in windows enterprise using a intune policy, at least.
Yeah this is all my company cared about. They trust that it will be disabled…
The way MS is headed, would it really surprise anyone if a faulty update accidentally re-enables it without telling you and cause a massive shitstorm, though? I‘m not sure how many companies are naive enough to have this sword of Damocles above their machines. Especially with that disastrous anti-hacker resolution by the UN on the way. Sure, there are a lot of companies that just don‘t care nearly as much as they should, but one massive leak with recall involved could be enough for thousands of them to switch.
I’ll switch when Windows 10 is no longer supported. Or just before.
The problem is like that xkcd comic about experts underestimating the common person’s knowledge in their field. Linux is still not user friendly enough for the vast majority of people. Linux users just don’t seem to understand that most people are in the “wtf is a distro?” level of knowledge and would absolutely panic at the mere sight of a terminal.
True. Most people wouldn’t know how to install windows. They use it because it’s preinstalled and works. It’s a lot of risk for the average user to attempt an install from media even if it’s well guided. There’s also the roadblock of having media for local backup and the migration of personal data to cloud obfuscating the access to the data even further.
It’s hard enough to get professionals to rtfm.
They don’t need to know what a distro is, the same way they don’t know the difference between Windows Enterprise, Professional, LTSC, etc.
If it’s not OEM, people like us are going to be the ones installing it for them anyway.
It’s not “linux”’s job to be userfriendly, it’s up to the distro. Look at android, steam deck and chromebooks, three very userfriendly linux distros. Now we just need some billion dollar company to do what google and valve did with those for a desktop and we’re good to go.
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I’ve used Linux for 20 years and don’t even know what MPV is without looking it up.
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Why would anyone need a replacement for VLC?
Also, Gnome, KDE, Xfce, LXQt all come with a video player out of the box that’s much better suited for newbies.
If you’re installing MPV, you’re looking for it and probably know why you want it.
It also can be not installed to begin with. Fuck MS and all their bullshit. Next year, 5% of pc gamers will be on Linux and it will keep growing from there.
As soon as support for windows 10 is over I’m out. My new laptop had Windows 11 pre-installed so I switched it to Linux a few days ago after I realized Copilot installed itself without asking me. I’m using my laptop as a test run before I get it on my desktop so I can figure out which distro I wanna use when the day comes.
Challenge accepted…
