F you, Taylor Swift!” shouted Megyn Kelly, “and f all of the people who want to see these children have body parts chopped off.”

For those not fluent in Republican crazy-speak, Kelly’s meltdown was triggered by Taylor Swift’s endorsement of Kamala Harris the night before, barely one hour after Trump all but face-planted on the debate stage. Kelly was especially triggered by Swift highlighting her appreciation for vice presidential nominee Tim Walz’s support of LGBTQ+ rights.

Other right-wing commentators, like Ben Shapiro, took another approach: making fun of Swifties. “Note: if you vote for a particular candidate because your favorite singer is doing so, please don’t vote. You are too stupid to vote,” wrote Shapiro on X. Meanwhile, Elon Musk, the richest man on the planet, threatened to impregnate her.

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    I half agree with Shapiro. It is stupid to vote for someone because a celebrity or anyone else famous that you like endorses someone.

    However, people do, so it does indeed get votes.

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      I disagree. Celebrities are paid for movies, music, tv, ads, etc, and at any time, they can say they only did that one thing you didn’t like because someone paid them money. They take a chance by endorsing a candidate because they could potentially lose lots of money, jobs, friends, or more. The type of people that do vote for candidates based on endorsements are also the type of people that don’t generally follow politics, but when you talk to them, you’ll find they are for the same issues as the candidate.

      That endorsement could be the one that made some 18-21 year old go and look up the endorsed candidate. When they look up the candidate, they may not be really interested, but then they may find something that the candidate supports, and that makes them want to vote. They never would have voted if they didn’t find that information, and they wouldn’t have looked up the information without the endorsement.

      Have you ever bought something that you saw an influencer endorse on social media? Have you ever gone to a new place because someone else recommended it? Have you ever found a new friend because one of your friends was friends with them? What about dropping thousands of dollars into a stock because someone said you should? All of these are just other forms of endorsements from people you pay attention and listen to. Maybe someone recommended a show on Netflix that you passed on previously but decided to watch because of the endorsement, and you really loved it?

      Don’t forget, Shapiro didn’t just say you shouldn’t base your vote off of an endorsement. He said that people who do should have their rights stripped. What does that mean? Does he want your Google searches to be checked to see when you started looking things up? He also wants to raise the voting age to 21. He wants voters to be tested to even qualify.

      Look at what conservatives scream about during elections. Voters where their signature is slightly different, when their name matches a dead person, when purged voters try to vote because they haven’t voted in awhile, illegals voting in mass, voting by mail, voting at the wrong location, etc. They’re trying to stop people who most likely won’t vote for them. They push wild conspiracies, but if you believe their conspiracies, they think you are good to vote. Problems exist on both sides, then again, if two cars caught fire in opposite sides of the same city on the same day and one of them was a Tesla, which one would be all over the news the next day?

      The moral here is never let anyone tell you that your inspiration is wrong. Ordinary individuals are inspired to do extraordinary things every day, and all it takes is that spark of inspiration. Now, go out and do something cool or something!

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      I would agree if she were a vapid pop star. But she’s very clearly an intelligent business woman who also has musical talent. There are worse public figures to take cues from.

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        Unless you are yourself an intelligent billionaire business woman, why are you taking advice on who to vote for from her?

        What I’m getting at is people shouldn’t behave like sheep. Think for yourself and make your own voting decisions instead of listening to other people’s decisions.

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          A solid chunk of the population always behaves like sheep, even with the opportunity to educate oneself and form one’s own opinion, as well as people warning them not to behave like sheep. I certainly don’t know how to stop this from happening on a mass scale. So, when some chunk of the population takes a cue from a famous person, if that person has intentions that seem benevolent and point people towards what I consider to be a wise choice, I can at least be glad about that.

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            At scale everyone behaves like sheep, but these are all independently thinking beings making their own decisions.

            Your opinions don’t really matter as, like all sheep, they are ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

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          This sounds a lot like you’re telling people that the way to not be a sheep is to only listen to people who are just like you.

          And yeah you have to make your own decision and not just be told that to do. However, I’d also throw out there that it is an extremely natural thing for us as social creatures to consider the breadth of outside opinions available to us when making a decision.

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      We model good decisions based on what people we respect tell us all the time. Maybe Taylor Swift isn’t the ideal role model, but she’s certainly not the worst one I can think of.

      Politics is not something most normal people think a lot about or have coherent views about. I don’t think it’s all that crazy to think that an important role model could work as a heuristic for figuring out what their own values are.

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      It’s less stupud to listen to Taylor Swift than it is to Ben Shapiro.

      Choose who you listen to wisely. And no, her being a singer has little influence on that decision.

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    They are… I don’t know how to say it… weird? Could that be an appropriate term? I don’t know.

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    Lol, give me a break. No one gives a shit about the political opinions of pop stars. All of this shit is hyped up bullshit by media personalities. Absolutely no regular people are “losing it” because a pop star voiced her political opinion. These people in the media are trying to use it to push their own agendas, and if you buy into it, and it sways your opinion, I’m sorry, but you’re a dumb ass.

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      No one gives a shit about the political opinions of pop stars.

      She gave people a custom link to go to vote.gov, and within 24 hours over 400,000 people hit it. In comparison, in the week leading up to the debate, vote.gov was only getting 30,000 visitors a day. That is, she boosted their traffic by more than 1300%.

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      I get what you’re saying but you’re being idealistic and factually wrong. There’s a reason so many people signed up to vote that day with her referral link. It’s because people do in fact give a shit. You may be right that they’re dumb but that’s beside the point.

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    Republicans: Cancel culture is ruining the country!

    Also Republicans: You endorsed Harris? Kiss your Republican record sales goodbye!

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      No no no, you see, when the left does it, it’s cancel culture and literally communism. When the right does it, it’s voting with your dollar, literally capitalism. Not comparable at all!!

      /s

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      Which is hilarious since the main source of income for musicians ever since streaming took off is live shows and merch… albums are a vehicle to drive attendance at concerts, for which Swift is pretty good at packing stadiums full of people. Even if she loses 30% of her listeners, she’ll still sell out concerts and total revenue would likely be about the same because those seats will be taken up by other fans who would have otherwise missed out on the sold-out show.

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        … of non-autistic humans. Which is why I like systems not reliant on what somebody considers kind.

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          Wait what? I can’t tell if you’re serious, but if so, I’d love to see research on the first part of your comment. If you were joking please feel free to ignore me.

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            No, just experience.

            “Normal” people lie and bend morals so naturally that they don’t see it. The discourse in their social bubble is more important than reality for them. They can say and believe absolutely contradictory things, which just have to be accepted as true by their social environment.

            How can there be any research on this? It’s literally normal. It’s how political agitation works.

            About autistic people not doing this - autistic people take discourses even more radically, but that kinda helps, because you have to check yourself for your perceptions to work with the real world at all. Also due to the effort needed to switch between various discourses, which happens naturally for normals, autistic people notice the fact that they switch.

            Normals don’t need that and thus can live all their life in common dreams.

            I think I could find something more scientific to read on these things, but why would I really, it’s obvious.

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              One of my favorite pass times is asking ChatGPT my hypotheses with prompts to search the web for academic sources (the free version is limited, but it works for a good few prompts over a few hours and let’s you know when the cool down period is over).

              Any time we make claims, it’s very likely at this stage of human technology that there’s research on it you can access and hone ideas around. Anecdotes can be really powerful in driving our interests and pursuit of knowledge, but I think we should always check in and be aware we’re biased, fallible, sometimes hypocritical creatures.

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                I’m not sure if you are reinforcing the request for a source or agreeing with me, ha-ha.

                I’ll try. But my own experience with using those chatbots to find sources is not satisfactory, but then I was trying to find sources on very specific things.

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                  I was reinforcing the request. I did a couple general prompts with your claim and think there’s some research to support it, though it’s not much; and, as with anything, there’s nuance.

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            Impaired social abilities mean smaller attack surface for propaganda and groupthink.

            Seems obvious, that’s the main thing autism is, that’s why it’s called a u t i s m .

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    Republican rhetoric has constantly endangered innocent people and it is about time they start paying for it.

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      Leading up to the debate, a whole bunch of new propaganda got pushed. Haitians eating cats in Ohio, Post-birth-abortions, and forced transitions for children, prisoners, and illegal-aliens. Totally normal conspiracy theories based on absolutely nothing

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        I caught the cat eating thing, and the post-birth abortion thing. I must have been too distracted by the Venezuelan gangs that are supposed to have taken over my city to catch the other stuff.

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          How do you have any gangs if they’re all in jails getting free SRS? How do you even have a city when they were all razed by Dems rioting in 2020? Something is not adding up, either you or the Repub propaganda apparatus is lying.

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        Well, no one is forcing transitions, but we do and should continue to provide necessary medical care for prisoners. Arguably that care needs improvement in terms of accessibility for citizens and immigrants alike, which I think is where Trump pointed out Harris has truthfully put some work into.

        That’s what sucks about so many of these claims. Are they based on any truth?

        I will say, it’s at least a good exercise in critical thinking to have to go claim by claim, as exhausting as it is to so consistently find blatant lies, let alone half-truths.

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        Haitians eating cats in Ohio

        They overheard “I’m coming over there to eat that pussy” and got confused because they have no concept of a man doing something for the benefit of a woman.

        Post-birth-abortions

        I think the cops are handing that, or at the very least making sure no parents go into the school to prevent it from happening.

        forced transitions

        I got nothing, they’re just batshit crazy.

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          My speculation on the last one is they are (still) salty about the government and military providing transitional care and surgery.

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        Eating them? Shit, I have a vet appointment to cancel… and a pile of children’s bones to dispose of…

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      I don’t think it’s about abortion. I think they decided allowing a transgender teen to exist is “dismembering children” even if surgery for trans teens barely ever happens IRL. If they were actually worried about gender affirming surgery for minors, they’d want to ban nose jobs and fake tits too. So, it’s just part of the general trans moral panic amongst conservatives and “Won’t someone please think of the children?” bullshit that always accompanies moral panics even if children aren’t involved.

      I’m cis but my understanding is that even trans adults find getting access to gender affirming healthcare is a huge, expensive ordeal. Philosophy Tube had a good video on her experience in the UK and I sincerely doubt it’s any easier in America’s labyrinthian, absurdly expensive non-system. It’s definitely not like parents are swinging by the urgent care to get their 13 year-olds free bottom surgery.

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      She may mean the process of abortion. Unfortunately, it can be gruesome if not performed early.

      Source: Wife worked in a family care clinic and assisted with many of these procedures.

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        That’s essentially what I told my wife last night. If you’re undecided and watched the debate and still are undecided, just admit you’re a Trump voter.

        Seems you don’t even trust what your wife has to say, not sure why you’d ‘source’ her and expect everyone else to.

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      One of the Republican talking points in this election is that parents are sending their kids to school in the morning and they are coming home with their dicks chopped off in the afternoon because Democrats are performing operations on them to turn them trans. Yes, it is very weird and completely untrue.

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      At the Minnesota State Fair, Republicans set up a booth where they claimed Tim Waltz did nothing while Minneapolis burned to the ground. Was even depicted on the sign they put on their booth. The Minnesota State Fair takes place in Minneapolis; they’re literally in the city that supposedly burned down.

      This is the level of cognitive dissonance we’re dealing with.

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    Man, I am interested in politics, but I don’t care about pop culture. Now I have to google Taylor Swift (I know the name and I am sure, I’ll also know some songs of her, I just don’t know the cnnections inbetween).

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    I love the implying the dems when they renew the office will do horrible things they have for some reason waited to do while they have office. Honestly it annoys me people take the what the canidate says they will do things with anything than a grain of salt when its clear the historical precidence has held. tax cuts for rich, deregulation, wars, outlaw abortion go republican. progressive taxes, corpo regulation and monopoly breakup, exiting wars, bodily autonomy go democrat. lambast fed to zero interest so stock market go burr republican, let fed set rates to keep a inflation at a low but not negative rate democrat. (for any repbulicans who don’t understand fed rates obama had them up then trump pushed them down to his term which is why we had the inflation we had which cooled down due to biden allowing for extreme fed action which further makes things bad as you want fed adjustments to be small but that can’t happen when a president spends his term pushing for them to be the opposite of where they should be.)

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    … Ben Shapiro accusing other people of not being smart enough to vote…

    He should practice what he preaches and not vote, himself.

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      He should vote, because everyone should vote.

      Fuck Ben Shapiro, he’s some combination of idiot and willing stooge, but voting only works when everyone gets to vote. Unlike these right-wing fuckwits, I’m not willing to disenfranchise voters just because I perceive them as being less intelligent than me.

      EDIT: I am shocked that supporting a fair and equal democracy seems to be at least sort of controversial around here. If you genuinely believe a given category of people should be disallowed from voting, please reconsider your values.

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        Yes, because telling someone to practice what they preach is disenfranchising them.

        C’mon, now.

        Voting is his right, it his obligation. If he wanted to show he’s not a total fucking liar and hypocrite…. He should chose to not vote because he’s definitely stupider than the vast majority of swifties.

        To be fair, most rocks have enough intelligence to be smarter than him… and they’re inanimate.

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          Never forget his hypothetical about selling your underwater home. Dude has the intelligence of the fish he thinks would buy it.

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          No, but telling someone they shouldn’t be allowed to vote is saying you believe they should be disenfranchised.

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            Again.

            You’re saying things I did not say.

            At no point did I suggest he should he not be allowed to vote.

            I’m saying if he truly believes that stupid people should not vote…. then he should not vote himself.

            This is substantially different that disallowing him to vote.

            Tl/dr? I’m just calling him stupid.

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        Shapiro is not an idiot, he’s arrogant. He believes that when the fascists and alt-right freaks come for every other racial, sexual and religious minority, including his own, they will spare him because he was on their side and he is special

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        Lol you vote for more dog food available, they vote people to die. Same same.

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          This is not a “both sides are the same” argument. Only that if you start to discuss who should and should not be allowed to vote, you are no longer creating a democracy. That is a dictatorship with extra steps.

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            A cunt that is tolerant of Nazis doesn’t deserve respect or a vote homie that’s reality.

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      I’d hardly call them random. These are popular right wing commentators. It would make sense to see how they respond. And like it or not, twitter is still the place where people put out these public comments.