The sound of many of them exploding
Ok, on the one hand, yes, blowing up Hamas is funny.
OTOH, this is not cool, bombing random people is a problem.
The US has this wonderful system called the Hellfire R-9X which is basically a flying slap-chop that ginzus a single target with 9 pop-out blades. Can we hand a couple over to the IDF and Mossad so they stop randomly blowing up parts of Lebanon?
It’s not killing Hamas that’s the issue, it’s the collateral.
This is Hezbollah, not Hamas.
Blowing anybody up is NEVER funny. And it never will be.
One exception.
I can think of a couple. P diddy is coming to mind today… allegedly.
How about we stop giving the genocidal government weapons and ammo all together
There you. You can’t stop people from fighting, but we certainly can stop helping them kill each other.
And look, I get it’s a hot button issue for a lot of people. I’m not suggesting anyone is wrong for whatever side they choose. It’s too complex of an issue for my pea-brain to fully understand. What I do understand is that the US and other countries need to be working toward helping both sides find a reasonable and peaceful solution — whatever that may be (I’ll leave that to the smarter people to figure out).
They’re two religious sides going at it for a 100 years, each wanting the same piece of territory. There is no solution
There’s still gonna be some collateral damage with those, that can’t be employed at scale as readily – you’d have to concurrently target huge numbers of people from airborne platforms, and these are pretty small charges. Given that Hezbollah isn’t fighting in the open – understandably – this is probably about as good as it realistically gets in terms of collateral damage.
Israel could maybe use DIME charges to have a smaller difference between lethal radius and damaging radius, but that’s got its own unpleasant aspects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_inert_metal_explosive
Dense inert metal explosive (DIME) is an experimental type of explosive that has a relatively small but effective blast radius. It is manufactured by producing a homogeneous mixture of an explosive material (such as phlegmatized HMX or RDX) and small particles of a chemically inert material such as tungsten. It is intended to limit the effective distance of the explosion, to avoid collateral damage in warfare.
Upon detonation of the explosive, the casing disintegrates into extremely small particles, as opposed to larger pieces of shrapnel which results from the fragmentation of a metal shell casing. The HMTA powder acts like micro-shrapnel which is very lethal at close range (about 4 m or 13 ft), but loses momentum very quickly due to air resistance, coming to a halt within approximately 40 times the diameter of the charge. This increases the probability of killing people within a few meters of the explosion while reducing the probability of causing death and injuries or damage farther away. Survivors close to the lethal zone may still have their limbs amputated by the HMTA microshrapnel, which can slice through soft tissue and bone.
If Israel isn’t using those already, I guess we could send 'em some, if we have some sitting around. Realistically, though, I doubt that collateral damage is gonna be possible to reduce a whole lot, given the fact that Hezbollah’s hiding in a civilian population.
that can’t be employed at scale as readily
Well there’s your problem right there:
You’re concerned we can’t scale up arbitrary killings? Would you prefer something on a larger, more industrial scale, perhaps with large, gas-fueled ovens?
Killing should be hard, and it should be personal, not vaguely waving a hand in a general direction. You should know their name and hopefully have filled out a few forms beforehand.
If you want to kill somebody, when you aren’t at war with their entire country, then BE SPECIFIC.
Drone strikes that take out a known Al-Queda leader: ✅
Drone strike that takes out a random Afghan wedding: ❌
There are a large number of people in Hezbollah. Israel is fighting them.
You’re talking about using a Hellfire R-9X.
In order to launch those concurrently against, I dunno, sounds like there are maybe hundreds or thousands of targets, you’re going to need to have hundreds or thousands of drones. You’re gonna need something like a TB-2 at least to be lobbing them, not a tiny little drone. You’re talking about a lot of medium-size UAVs. That’s where your scale limitation is gonna come from.
Those things are fine if you’re trying to kill one person. But Israel’s fighting a number of people, even if it can identify them. They aren’t gonna have thousands of drones above Lebanon.
And if they’re hitting buildings and such, then you’re gonna be collapsing buildings and stuff like that.
Secondly, I assume that the Lebanese government is not going to give Israel free reign to do drone strikes on Hezbollah on Lebanese territory, will shoot at those drones, so to use those, you’d need to destroy any air defense that Lebanon has. My guess is that Israel’s looking to just fight Hezbollah as much as possible.
Tl;Dr you’re declaring war on Lebanon.
Then just admit it, this bs dance is childish.
You’re either at war with them or the Lebanese are innocent bystanders where you have to minimize collateral damage, can’t have it both ways.
Someone should check if Walter White is in Lebanon
The media condemned political violence against Trump in unison one month ago.
Israel commits one of the biggest terrorist attacks against a Lebanese political organization in history and the media claps.
And they whined about a fucking bus exploding.
About some pipe rockets killing a random bloke or two.
And this
against a Lebanese political organization
appears to be wrong since their attack wasn’t at all this targeted. It’s a mass terror campaign against whole Lebanese population in order to saturate its attention and reduce morale before an invasion.
We all got complacent relying on big nations with big militaries for punishing such behavior, and they are all in bed with the criminal.
Despite this not being Hezbollah’s best moment, I think they and similar guerrillas are the exact kind of people we should learn from for solutions to Israel and the rest of the problem.
My concern twofold
A: Without evidence I have a hard time seeing planting bombs in devices was solely targeted at fighters. Odds are an entire shipment was targeted and many people who weren’t Hezbollah received bombs
B: Blowing up devices that were by definition carried everywhere certainly killed families and associates who didn’t deserve to die.
During the Iraqi war we considered Iraqi leadership targets and I wouldn’t have been surprised if they considered our leadership targets as well. If they had in fact only killed Hezbollah I would have no problem with the attack.
In Iraq every Iraqi civilian was considered a valid target.
The definition of “enemy combatant” was “anyone within the blast radius of a US strike”. I kid you not.
They were probably mostly in the hands of Hezbollah members, if not fighters. This is probably why they went off in hospitals as well. Lots of medics who volunteer who’s normal job is being a doctor in a Beirut hospital. Lots of logistics and people hiding weapons in the back of buildings for them.
They’re not full time militants if I understand correctly. Most of these people will have civilian lives and jobs to go to.
Certainly some innocent family members died. There’s no such thing as a completely surgical strike. It is better than what they’ve been doing in Gaza though, by several orders of magnitude. I don’t think anybody can defend what’s been going on there with a straight face.
Maybe so but commit a little genocide here and there and suddenly nobody wants to give you the benefit of the doubt.
They are popping like popcorn lmao
Gotta love the zio creeps showing their real faces at the bottom.
Thankful to the rest of humanity for the downvotes.
Terrorists killing terrorists… Nice. Seriously… what is next? Exploding toilet seats with verses from quran, issued last ramadan only to elite hezbollah members?
Terrorists killing terrorists
These are the terrorists killing anyone standing around people the terrorists don’t like. During a funeral.
If this carries on, we’ll have exploding semaphore flags by the end of the week.
Don’t mess with Americas boats
You do love to see it
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What a fucked up thing to say. Do better.
Am I supposed to feel bad for a bunch of terrorists getting their dicks blown off?
Including kids, but you already knew that, didn’t you?
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Yes, because Hezbollah members never go outside and are never among innocent people. They just convenietly always sit together, do their shopping in the Hezbollah supermarket and take the Hezbollah-bus to get where they are going. Think, moron.
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Yes, that’s why we have dead children now…
Congrats on wining gold in the mental gymnastics competition.
You’re either trolling or lacking even a basic sense of empathy.
Either way, you’re not worth my time.
This is a super-villain plan becoming a reality.
Ok, guys, after the pager thing, I am pretty sure walkie talkies are next. Like that’s really An obvious one.
I don’t have any ideas on what next. Landline phones probably.
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Call it for what it is, a terrorist attack.
Lotta Hezbollah flags in that crowd, was that some kind of funeral procession from yesterday’s pagers?
If your state was under attack by genocidal terrorists, wouldn’t you support the resistance?
Yes, a funeral procession for 4 members.
Exponential funeral growth.
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Oh look, terrorism.
No , see when THEY do it, it is terrorism; when WE do it ……….
This flippant accusation misses the grander issue.
If Israel is capable of precisely targeting enemy military like this, then why are there 35k dead in Gaza?
It’s a good point
But the accusation isn’t flippant. That’s exactly what this is.
If the beepers and radios were targeted at Hezbollah militia members, then it isn’t terrorism.
If the equipment was sold in regular retail channels meant for the general Lebanese population, then it is terrorism.
We don’t know enough to make that call 100%, but early analysis is strongly suggesting it was targeted.
To call it terrorism at this point is flippant and unsupported, and draws attention away from and fails to highlight their larger crime of genocide.
It is absolutely terrorism. When the pagers went off most of the people hit by them were in plain clothes, including a child, people were just seeing other randomly exploding and are adding strain to hospitals. This is a terrorist attack.
It is absolutely terrorism
Too early to tell, but likely not
most of the people hit by them were in plain clothes
oh good, if i find myself an active combatant in a war-zone i should just chuck on a t-shirt.
including a child
Regrettable but civilian casualties in a war-zone are inevitable
people were just seeing other (presumably you meant to put “people” here) randomly exploding
they weren’t randoms, at the moment it seems they were Hezbollah
and are adding strain to hospitals
That’ll happen when a large number of combatants are taken out at once
Human Rights Watch called it unlawful:
Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.
I think the point was that, for the people around, this was undistinguishable from suicide bombers, which are usually considered as terrorists. Terrorism is meant to inspire terror and insecurity. This did exactly that.
There is no “war-zone”. There are no “combatants”.
There’s just genocidal terrorists murdering civilians in several different states.
Hezbollah have been firing rockets into israel for months, it absolutely is a warzone
Yes, and when we bombed Germany in WW2 we killed hundreds of children. War is bad. Terrorism is bad. But they are different things.
Genocide =/= war. Stop trying to justify genocidal terrorism on the basis of some imaginary “war”.
There is a difference between the actions in Gaza and the actions in Lebanon.
Is it precise? From the pager terror attacks only 9 or killed, maybe 2 of them “fighters”, at least 1 child, 2700+ wounded including medical staff and other innocent people. That’s not exactly precise in my books.
I mean you are fundamentally making an argument against war. Which I agree with. When waging war someone innocent is always going to get caught in the crossfire, which is one of the many reasons war is bad.
But to call all acts of war terrorism, and all terrorism an act of war, is to pretend words don’t have meanings.
No, I’m not calling all acts of war terrorism, or all terrorism acts of war. For example, Ukranian artillery striking Russian troops in a trench most certainly an act of war, and not terrorism. Detonation explosives attached to people who aren’t aware, who are potentially innocent, potentially in crowded locations, in hospitals, or schools, isn’t an act of war, and is text book terrorism.
Genocide =/= war.
These guys were still carrying these pagers to the funeral of the last group getting killed by their pagers? 200 IQ move.
It was walkie-talkies today.
Still, wouldn’t you at least check your devices after yesterday?
I mean, I certainly wouldn’t assume it was more than just the one thing yesterday, if you did, why didn’t you warn anyone? But now that it has been 2 things, you can certainly bet every other device is checked or chucked for a while. Fool me twice…
Surely the almighty god they pray to five times a day wouldn’t let something like that happen a second time, would he
Since you’ve obviously forgotten, they share the same God and origin story as the Hebrews and Christians, and He’s known for working in mysterious ways, so who knows which side He’s taking on any one day?
check your devices
Go ahead. Open your iPhone. Some things don’t present as being safe to open without damaging the unit, so no one’s going to pop it open for lulz.
Fair enough
